parkersdad
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Hannibal wrote:Paul Clancy wrote:Many of us diesel owners see no need whatsoever to add a tuner. I've been asking the same question you are for years and the only thing I can figure is the allure of easy power is so strong guys can't say no, then the slippery slope of this requires more parts and less reliability (exhaust - guages - air intake etc). My trucks will never have those mods because I value (and get) power with reliability AND a warranty. Towing within manufacturers spec is probably helping me there.
I agree 100%. I run all my trucks bone stock. I don't even run air bags. If it needs to be modded, it's not enough truck to begin with in my humble opinion. If it is enough truck, nothing is needed but a hitch and brake controller.
That is what I say as well. They send it out from the factory the way it is for a reason. I think the truck will last longer if you leave it alone.
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Taco wrote:If a diesel is so awesome why the need to mod them? If they can just pull and pull forever up steep hills in extreme heat why do all you modded diesel guys have to put egt guages on them and back off when they get too high.
Modded to modded I bet your trucks won't run with a turbo or supercharged gas engine.
You'd lose that bet on a fair test every time.
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Sport45
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Quote:I also blow past lots of gassers who cant even make 65 mph with their loads.
Did the gassers know they were in a race? How do you know they couldn't make 65 mph?
If you pass me on the flats driving 60 do you really think that means I can't drive faster?
I suppose I've lost a lot of races I didn't know I'd entered...
Quote:You'd lose that bet on a fair test every time.
What's fair? Limit the gas engine to 3000 rpm?
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parkersdad wrote:Hannibal wrote:Paul Clancy wrote:Many of us diesel owners see no need whatsoever to add a tuner. I've been asking the same question you are for years and the only thing I can figure is the allure of easy power is so strong guys can't say no, then the slippery slope of this requires more parts and less reliability (exhaust - guages - air intake etc). My trucks will never have those mods because I value (and get) power with reliability AND a warranty. Towing within manufacturers spec is probably helping me there.
I agree 100%. I run all my trucks bone stock. I don't even run air bags. If it needs to be modded, it's not enough truck to begin with in my humble opinion. If it is enough truck, nothing is needed but a hitch and brake controller.
That is what I say as well. They send it out from the factory the way it is for a reason. I think the truck will last longer if you leave it alone.
if that is true, why do they put a 8 micron fuel filter on the GM, the transfer case will rub a hole in 100k, do you use synthetic oil?? why??, their is no lift pump on a gm and dodge uses the same CP3, want me to keep going??? the ford 6.0 blow heads from rotten EGR coolers, dodge common rail injectors fail and burn holes in pistons. the list is long, most people including me take care of these problems before they happen, I only have 85k but have lots of friends with over 300k, and they tow campers for a living, including my step dads best friend that has 1 million on his 06 Gm diesel, Gm truck and bus plant even took his truck in for a few days when they found out what he had just to look at how well it held up.
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rcpd34 wrote:
You'd lose that bet on a fair test every time.
What are you considering a fair test?
No I would not have the slightest bit of fear of losing that bet.
A turbo gas engine would have no problem beating a modded diesel up a hill with a trailer. By the way I don't mean a stock ecoboost.
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Taco wrote:rcpd34 wrote:
You'd lose that bet on a fair test every time.
What are you considering a fair test?
No I would not have the slightest bit of fear of losing that bet.
A turbo gas engine would have no problem beating a modded diesel up a hill with a trailer. By the way I don't mean a stock ecoboost.
Take a stock gasser and stock diesel and spend $1K on mods and see where you get the most bang for your buck. The diesel results will be much more dramatic and measurable than the gas.
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Sport45 wrote:Quote:I also blow past lots of gassers who cant even make 65 mph with their loads.
Did the gassers know they were in a race? How do you know they couldn't make 65 mph?
If you pass me on the flats driving 60 do you really think that means I can't drive faster?
I suppose I've lost a lot of races I didn't know I'd entered...
Quote:You'd lose that bet on a fair test every time.
What's fair? Limit the gas engine to 3000 rpm?
for one they always passed me on the flats and when we hit the big hills I was always at the top first and my cruise control never left 65, maybe they wanted to take it easy and not run 5500rpm up the hill for 5-10 minutes, I don`t blame them when I had a V10 gasser I did not want to either
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Quote:Take a stock gasser and stock diesel and spend $1K on mods and see where you get the most bang for your buck. The diesel results will be much more dramatic and measurable than the gas.
The diesel owner got to spend several thousand extra on his engine before mods. How about taking two identical trucks without engines, transmissions, and axles. Each is able to spend the same amount to install powertrains. Who wins?
How do you define winning?
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Flatlanders, geez..................I modded my 7.3 cause I wanted to run 55+mph up 9 miles of 6 and 7% with a 13K trailer. When the hills are that long the gasser won't have enough torque to carry that speed for that amount of time or miles. I monitor everything because I tow in temps above 110* and have towed on those grades in higher temps. Ya'll come to Az this summer, call me and I'll buy your gas and let you take my trailer up and I'll follow and just see for everyones info what it will do. Here's your chance to shut us diesel owners up. Any takers???
The reason I know this is I owned an F350 gasser and had to move up to pull this big trailer I have now. My friends neighbor has a Chevy big block 2500 and pulls a toyhauler that weighs around 8K and on the same pulls he runs about 30 flooring it.
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Sport45 wrote:Quote:Take a stock gasser and stock diesel and spend $1K on mods and see where you get the most bang for your buck. The diesel results will be much more dramatic and measurable than the gas.
The diesel owner got to spend several thousand extra on his engine before mods. How about taking two identical trucks without engines, transmissions, and axles. Each is able to spend the same amount to install powertrains. Who wins?
How do you define winning?
Can't we all be happy?
You are correct concerning the 6.0 PSD. They have some flaws that need fixed to be reliable. I have a 7.3. It's rock solid stock. I just wanted to run up 9 miles of 6/7% @ 55+ mph. And I get 11.5 mpg doing it.
Btw I am happy. I love these discussions. Just can't make it personal or take it personal that's all.
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