Taco
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If a diesel is so awesome why the need to mod them? If they can just pull and pull forever up steep hills in extreme heat why do all you modded diesel guys have to put egt guages on them and back off when they get too high.
Modded to modded I bet your trucks won't run with a turbo or supercharged gas engine.
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Paul Clancy
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Many of us diesel owners see no need whatsoever to add a tuner. I've been asking the same question you are for years and the only thing I can figure is the allure of easy power is so strong guys can't say no, then the slippery slope of this requires more parts and less reliability (exhaust - guages - air intake etc). My trucks will never have those mods because I value (and get) power with reliability AND a warranty. Towing within manufacturers spec is probably helping me there.
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Hannibal
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transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:transamz9 wrote:Hannibal wrote:John and Taco are right. Transamz9, in which gear at what rpm? There are a lot of variables and torque multiplications you seem to be leaving out.
O.K you guys are right and I'm wrong. I'll just keep passin ya on the 6% grades , just make sure you say in the slow lane.
There you go with your fabrications again. The only reason you'd be passing me is if you're breaking the speed limit or trailer tire speed rating. But thanks for admitting you're wrong. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/tongue.gif "tongue")
This will be the last time I post on this silly matter. I know all about your Hemi. Pulling 4-5,000# loads it does a great job but I hate to break the news to you, it will not tow a heavy load with my '05 Cummins. Ask me how I know?
My wife's 2011 Hemi with 6 speed auto hooked to my boat and it will NOT hang with my '05 Cummins...........
Nice pics but there you go fabricating again. My 5.7L Hemi was in a 2500HD pickup. We towed our 10,400 lb actual weight 5th wheel all over the southeast with no problems keeping up with traffic, no engine or transmission problems for the 120k miles I owned it. And once again, please quote anywhere at any time that I said my '05 Hemi powered Ram would out tow your modded '05 Cummins. More crickets. Do you really need to fabricate untruths to make your point?
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Hannibal
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Paul Clancy wrote:Many of us diesel owners see no need whatsoever to add a tuner. I've been asking the same question you are for years and the only thing I can figure is the allure of easy power is so strong guys can't say no, then the slippery slope of this requires more parts and less reliability (exhaust - guages - air intake etc). My trucks will never have those mods because I value (and get) power with reliability AND a warranty. Towing within manufacturers spec is probably helping me there.
I agree 100%. I run all my trucks bone stock. I don't even run air bags. If it needs to be modded, it's not enough truck to begin with in my humble opinion. If it is enough truck, nothing is needed but a hitch and brake controller.
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Hannibal
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64thunderbolt wrote:Hannibal wrote:64thunderbolt wrote:Hannibal wrote:We don't tow a small little trailer and shower in hotels. We tow a 30ft 5th wheel and stay in various campgrounds. We're also very happy with our truck's performance. We keep up with traffic. Sorry if that peaces you off. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
Doesent p me off at all. I'm happy you are satisfied with your rig and enjoying it. I just take issue with the info you put out about a gasser being a better tow vehicle than a diesel. I don't care how much you preach this, it's just not true in the real world.
Please quote anywhere that I said "a gasser is a better tow vehicle than a diesel". The only issue you seem to have is telling the truth. My Hemi Ram towed the same 10k lb 5th wheel faster up the grades than my '03 duplicate SO 250hp Cummins Ram. That's a fact. I never said the Hemi was a "better tow vehicle". 345 hp will tow faster than 250hp no matter what fuel it burns. That you can quote me on. We tow in the real world. Not sure where you're coming from.
I'm coming from a part of the country that has real mtns and extreem heat. Not sure what % grades or how long they are where you are but I'll bet my truck against a doughnut You can't tow with me in the mtns here. With your 10K trailer And my 13K trailer. my truck wweighs 8200# also. I'm not sure you undrstand what a real pull is.
Ok, and here's my challenge to you. Quote anywhere that I've ever said my truck or previous Hemi powered 2500HD Ram would out tow a modded or newer HO diesel in the Rockies. I've said many times over the years that if we towed heavy in the Rockies, I would have another diesel. A HO Cummins Ram. I have only stated many times perfectly clear that my Hemi Ram would out tow "MY" SO Cummins Rams towing the same 10k lb 5th wheel. Monteagle is our only 5~mile long 5-6% interstate grade to deal with. The 5.4L tows a lighter 8500~lb mid profile 5th wheel about the same. "MY" Cummins Rams had trouble with only 160-250 hp. Any engine gas, diesel, ethanol, steem, pedal power or turbine with the most HP will through gear reduction, torque multiplication, make the most torque at the output of the transmission. Flywheel torque doesn't mean squat if you can't rev it enough to put it to the ground. Torque alone is a static measurement. Has nothing to do with speed. Only with rpm does it equate to speed. The two components together are known as horsepower.
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Paul Clancy
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With these new 400/800 trucks who in the world needs to mod? It's the hot rod guys who WANT (don't need) to mod, like it's always been. I run a high mountain pass every trip and never an issue - had a lifted tuned coal roller truck pass me (I was doing ~60mph)on a steep grade with his toy hauler - half a mile later I passed him as he sat on the shoulder , mid grade. Big lifts/tires suck power, tuner to get it back, big exhaust/intake to try and bring down egt...what a racket.
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I modded my truck because, 1. like the power, 2. longevity, 3. I have a great job and make great money, so I have the extra income after everything is set aside for our life to be good
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transamz9
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Paul Clancy wrote:With these new 400/800 trucks who in the world needs to mod? It's the hot rod guys who WANT (don't need) to mod, like it's always been. I run a high mountain pass every trip and never an issue - had a lifted tuned coal roller truck pass me (I was doing ~60mph)on a steep grade with his toy hauler - half a mile later I passed him as he sat on the shoulder , mid grade. Big lifts/tires suck power, tuner to get it back, big exhaust/intake to try and bring down egt...what a racket.
If it's done right , it's not a racket. I for one mod for efficiency , and yes it can be done if you do the right homework. My truck don't roll coal.![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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Paul Clancy wrote:With these new 400/800 trucks who in the world needs to mod? It's the hot rod guys who WANT (don't need) to mod, like it's always been. I run a high mountain pass every trip and never an issue - had a lifted tuned coal roller truck pass me (I was doing ~60mph)on a steep grade with his toy hauler - half a mile later I passed him as he sat on the shoulder , mid grade. Big lifts/tires suck power, tuner to get it back, big exhaust/intake to try and bring down egt...what a racket.
if you had a pyro on your stock truck and you actually saw what a factory temp is you would be shocked. Hit a really big hill on a really hot day and with a factory tuned truck and 1400 is not out of the question. i can pull a 6 mile 12% at 65mph and never see 1300 degrees at 22psi in 5th gear with a 15.5 5er. I also blow past lots of gassers who cant even make 65 mph with their loads. and i have g rated tires on the camper so i could go faster if i wanted to but 65 is fast enought with that load
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dfranks
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I towed my 9k'r through 10% grades up and down. twisty ,windy 2 lane road, on Friday.
There were corners on grades with max posted speed limits
of 35mph. Some places it was impossible to get a run at the hill due to either coming out of a corner or going into one ,at grade.
I enjoyed the experience with my EB and 6 speed cummins, we were able to maintain the speed limit (up or down grades). I am not sure, that the gassers would enjoy this drive pulling with any sort of heavy weight.
What I have read here so far, is that gas trucks tow better on long interstate grades,( when up to speed of course). I agree.
That situation does not apply where I live and camp. In our campground the majority of rigs are diesel.
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