INSAYN
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Quote:You just answered your own question: The reason that diesels dominate the large truck market is because they are cheaper to operate. Strickly an economic consideration, nothing else.
Bert
So what your saying is that one should not question the purchase of a diesel over a gas engine to be used in the same truck, due to economics? I am sure that would be enough of a reason for most purchasers, if the diesel is cheaper to operate.
Sounds good to me, too.
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BertP
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Quote:Quote:You just answered your own question: The reason that diesels dominate the large truck market is because they are cheaper to operate. Strickly an economic consideration, nothing else.
Bert
So what your saying is that one should not question the purchase of a diesel over a gas engine to be used in the same truck, due to economics? I am sure that would be enough of a reason for most purchasers, if the diesel is cheaper to operate.
Sounds good to me, too.
INSAYN
Don't put words in my mouth. I said that in the large truck market, it is stricly an economic consideration. When buying a TV, there are all kinds of additional considerations that may or may not favor a particular type of engine. And, yes, operating economics is one consideration.
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INSAYN
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Quote:Don't put words in my mouth. I said that in the large truck market, it is stricly an economic consideration. When buying a TV, there are all kinds of additional considerations that may or may not favor a particular type of engine. And, yes, operating economics is one consideration.
Bert
Fare enough.
On a side note to why I chose the diesel for my current truck, besides the smell :-), I did not enjoy stopping to fuel up while traveling. Getting off the highway to search of a gas station in remote areas was annoying. I now can get to my destination with MUCH fewer fuel stops than in the past. Granted I was driving a 1979 F250 4x4 that never saw the high side of 6 MPG in any situation whether empty or towing. Now, I can clearly double that number even while towing.
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PSDExcursion
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Quote:Only the 1/2ton is without the option of a diesel, why is that? It is not necessary, as it was not designed to have the extra weight of the diesel over the front axle.
The US is behind the rest of the world with diesel powered cars and light trucks. The weight of a diesel has nothing to do with it since the VW and MB cars and trucks come with diesel engines.
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INSAYN, I get 9 mpg while towing about 19k combined. I'm happy considering that I'm towing that kind of weight.
PSDExcursion, I just read in Car & Driver an article comparing the hybrid cars and a lone TDI Volks. In the text was the statement that while Europe has many more diesel powered cars and trucks from which to choose they DON'T like diesels any better than we do! Just an opinion and an accurate appraisal? They went on to say there are tax decreases on diesel fuel and in some vehicles a tax break. That's what they portend drives that market.
It's obvious that some of you are all about diesels but it nauseates when you shove that down people's throats. It's like your way or the highway and everyone else knows s**t.
I liked a bit of that copy of a note from the dieselstop.com. A newbie coming onto this forum is so overpowered with diesel bias it's no wonder you see guys using them for light duty towing. I saw a posting advising a tent trailer owner look at diesels..because as everyone knows we all must conform with the most outspoken here. My gosh, what would anyone think if I were to drive a gasser? Horrors!
Once again for those placing their purchase today in the resale of tomorrow it's not that a diesel might return more at trade-in but how much of a percentage retained over time. Right off the top a diesel commands about 10% more. Then too, if you hold onto that diesel to reap the really big miles who IS going to want it at that time? Are you going to want to trust in a truck with several hundred thousand miles on it to take you and your family and your big trailer over that mountain pass? Good luck.
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INSAYN
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Quote:It's obvious that some of you are all about diesels but it nauseates when you shove that down people's throats. It's like your way or the highway and everyone else knows s**t.
I hope I am not sounding that way, as I can careless if one guy owns a gas or a diesel. Gas works, Diesel works, and Horses work. Makes no difference to me what other have. I just tried to answer blt2ski's original question.
Reposting his original question to get the topic back on topic;
Quote:So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.
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PSDExcursion
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Quote:Once again for those placing their purchase today in the resale of tomorrow it's not that a diesel might return more at trade-in but how much of a percentage retained over time. Right off the top a diesel commands about 10% more. Then too, if you hold onto that diesel to reap the really big miles who IS going to want it at that time? Are you going to want to trust in a truck with several hundred thousand miles on it to take you and your family and your big trailer over that mountain pass? Good luck
Here in NJ used PSD Excursions are selling for $10,000 more than V10 or V8 gas Excursions so you don't have to drive several hundred thousand miles to make it worth the extra $4000 premium. I think that would make a gas powered Excursion owner sick when it comes time to sell.
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Quote:Quote:Once again for those placing their purchase today in the resale of tomorrow it's not that a diesel might return more at trade-in but how much of a percentage retained over time. Right off the top a diesel commands about 10% more. Then too, if you hold onto that diesel to reap the really big miles who IS going to want it at that time? Are you going to want to trust in a truck with several hundred thousand miles on it to take you and your family and your big trailer over that mountain pass? Good luck
Here in NJ used PSD Excursions are selling for $10,000 more than V10 or V8 gas Excursions so you don't have to drive several hundred thousand miles to make it worth the extra $4000 premium. I think that would make a gas powered Excursion owner sick when it comes time to sell.
Oh - but it would make the buyer of a good used excursion with a V-10 very happy. Let's here you diesel guys talk about recovering from a $10,000 initial investment difference based on a 7 0r 8 MPG difference in fuel efficiency.
Also, ford excursions make up a pretty small percentage of actual tow vehicles on the road. I don't believe the trade in difference is near 10 grand in pickups (which make up the overwhelming majority of tow vehicles). 3500 to 5500, maybe, but nowhere close to 10,000 for vehicle other wise the same (milage, drivetrain, body condition, trim level, etc.)
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Rogerg
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i have been keeping track of this thread since 6/22/04. i can not believe that the same people are still are having heated discussions about diesel vs. gas. as long as it is safe,who cares? the important thing is that everybody get out and enjoy their rigs. i guess it is time for me to hook up the truck and trailer and head down the highway. set the cruise control in over-drive and not worry about it down-shifting. i only have a gcw of 25,000# and only 250hp. i posted on 7/2/04.
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INSAYN
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Quote: i guess it is time for me to hook up the truck and trailer and head down the highway. set the cruise control in over-drive and not worry about it down-shifting. i only have a gcw of 25,000# and only 250hp. i posted on 7/2/04.
And probably really no reason to stop for "fuel" at every offramp either.
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