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Quote:The new standard V8 3valve 300HP motor is better then the older V10 275hp versions and should greatly confuse the choices for the new owners. These should average 12-14 MPG and haul light to medium loads all day long.
The new V10 3 valve 355hp is going to be on stout torque monster and is a good $600 compromise for infrequent heavy hauling. These should average 12-14 MPG and haul medium to heavy loads all day long.
The $5000 6.0L PSD with 500+ foot pounds Torque is a great motor for constant heavy hauling and is defiantly the most upgradeable motor made by Ford. These should average 16-19 MPG and haul heavy to heavier loads all day long.
If I did not need to justify transportation expenses vs. needs, and I had plenty of moolah, PSD is the motor I would have.
Quote:As for the post you quoted, I feel he has been in too many verbal battles and is mearly spouting out (right or wrong). Nothing mentioned was different from other gasser owner rants.
The guy says that for heavy to overweight hauling the diesel is the best but for light to medium duty hauling gas is sufficient and you call it a rant. That's insayn.
Quote:With the deisel, one can achieve greater advances in power with far less money or effort than the equivalent gasser and that can be proven over and over.
This statement is true if you overlook the fact that you paid $4000 to $5000 more up front for slightly less horsepower but much higher torque. Take a chevy 8.1 or a ford v-10 and a check for $5000 dollars to a performance shop and I bet they can get you performance on a par or above that of a stock diesel engine.
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JIMNLIN
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8.1 or V-10 on par with a diesel ?? Maybe for drag racin' but won't happin' for a tow vehicle that will be driven for several years. Spread that story to the hot shotter crowd down at the local truck stop they probably could use a good laugh.
Modified or stock they won't compare with a diesel { Cummins ] for towin' and long term reliabilty ......JIM
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PSDExcursion
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Quote:This statement is true if you overlook the fact that you paid $4000 to $5000 more up front for slightly less horsepower but much higher torque. Take a chevy 8.1 or a ford v-10 and a check for $5000 dollars to a performance shop and I bet they can get you performance on a par or above that of a stock diesel engine.
Here in NJ the dealers don't want to see any V10 gas hogs on their lot because used diesel Excursions are selling for $10,000 more than V10 Excursions. And if you spend $5,000 to mod your V10 for more power the dealers will not give you a dime more for it because the gas mileage will be horrible.
Torque is what moves the load because the 2005 F550 with 355HP V10 is rated up to 26,000 lb GCWR but the lower HP 325HP 6.0 PSD is rated up to 33,000 lb GCWR...that is 7,000 lbs more with 30 less HP. Even if you go from 4.88's to 5.38's with the V10 the GCWR stays the same. And don't start with the HP,Torque,Work BS because it won't change the tow ratings one bit.
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BertP
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Jim - The fact that a Cummins will outlast an 8.1 or a V10 has nothing to do with the fact that it is a diesel and everything to do with the fact that it is a medium duty engine. If your claim that it is because it is a diesel was true, then the PSD and DMax would also outlast them but they don't. And, just as hopping up an 8.1 will shorten its life expectancey so will hopping up any diesel. We are talking engines here. They are pieces of mechanical equipment and they can and will wear out. Some people just make them wear out faster than others.
Joe - I know it is a waste of time, but it has been said many times on these forums that there are more factors in determining the tow capacity of a TV than HP &/or torque.
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ttsr4us
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How many PSD's and Dmax are worn out compared to Gas engines? Please prove your statement.
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BertP
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Quote:How many PSD's and Dmax are worn out compared to Gas engines? Please prove your statement.
Do a google search: Gm says Dmax's (6.6L) and 8.1's (and 6.0's) are all rated as 200,000 mile engines.
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ttsr4us
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Sorry, I do not have to prove your statements, you do. I want to see you publish comparitive figures to substantiate your statements complete with all source material.
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INSAYN
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Quote:The guy says that for heavy to overweight hauling the diesel is the best but for light to medium duty hauling gas is sufficient and you call it a rant. That's insayn.
Granted the topic of discussion here was mearly gas vs. diesel, but given the fact that diesel is not even an option on a light duty truck, that particular statement above is nill and void if you are going to compare the two powerplants in the first place.
If I was only going to be hauling light to medium loads, I would still go with the diesel 3/4 to 1 ton, because I believe in buying the whole truck if I am going to bother at all. And fuel economy won't be drastically reduced on any of the loads.
As for fuel vs. engine price offset ($5000) between gas and diesel, most people don't look at the big picture. Example - You spend less money up front for a gas motor. Lets say ya use it for towing only. You spend quite a bit more for fuel over the term of ownership, and in 150K miles, you have reduced the value of the truck significantly. Then what? You sell it, or trade it in and get none of that (fuel vs. diesel motor cost) money back.
However, if you were to spend your extra money up front for the diesel, and use it for towing just the same - you will be rewarded at the end when your resell value will recoupe most of the original offset in the first place. 150K on a diesel won't make the truck less desirable for the next owner. 150K is probably equivelant to 35K-50K miles on a gas motor. The rest of the vehicle will wear equally and overall value will be based on upkeep.
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BertP
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Quote:Sorry, I do not have to prove your statements, you do. I want to see you publish comparitive figures to substantiate your statements complete with all source material.
No, I don't. If you wish to remain in the dark, that is your perogative. It is a simple exercise to prove that the DMax (6.6L), and the 8.1L are rated as 200,000 mile engines. If you wish to ignore that, fine.
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PSDExcursion
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Quote:Joe - I know it is a waste of time, but it has been said many times on these forums that there are more factors in determining the tow capacity of a TV than HP &/or torque.
The trucks are identical except for the higher torque and lower HP. The E350 Van with 255HP 5.4 V8 and 4.10's is rated at 13,000lb GCWR and the E350 with 215HP 7.3 PSD and 4.10's is rated at 20,000 lb GCWR. Imagine that, 7,000 lbs more tow rating with 40 less HP.![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/eek.gif "eek") Get off your high horse already.
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