spoon059
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Cummins12V98 wrote:Long bed, no compromise. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
And you usually get a much bigger fuel tank with the long bed, another huge upgrade!
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wowens79 wrote:We are looking at going to a 5th wheel from a TT. I keep hearing people talking about being able to turn 90 degrees. I really want to do with the standard B&W hitch in my F-350 with the 6'11" bed.
I realize if I turn too sharp I can damage the truck and camper, but I figure if I can turn a 5ver to 80degrees, that is alot sharper than the probably 45 degrees I can turn my TT. My current TT is 33', and the 5ver we are looking at is 35', so actual towing length will be shorter. Am I missing something?
My '02 2500HD D'max, short bed, 4x4, crew cab, would NOT hit my '04 Komfort 25FSG, a very square front FW. My current '17 KZ had even more room due to the cutaway corners on teh front. I =did= hit my truck with the Komfort when backing up; looking one way and turning the other, and just lost situational awareness. Took out the back glass. I ran a B&W Companion with my Turnover Ball with the Companion set as far forward as it would go. Now, I have a '22 3500HD Denali, SRW, CC, 4x4, and I have my Companion set to the rear as my KZ is only 10.5k GVW, so I have no worries about weight. Again, I can not hit my truck with my FW at full lock, R or L. Because I have a tool box that sticks up about 3" above the bed rail at the front, I do have to watch that if I'm turning sharp on uneven ground. On level ground, the corners of the FW clear the tool box with a couple inches to spare.
To me, if you're in a situation where you need to turn that sharp, you've done something "out of the ordinary" and, usually, you can "back out" of it and take another stab at making the turn. If you simply can't, then try and make sure you've got at least 3 observers, one behind and one on either side. If you don't have them, then you need to move, GOAL (get out and look), make corrections, move a little more, GOAL, repeat as necessary. Any more, I'm not too proud to do this; 40 years ago, I'd've just rammed it through. :-)
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Cummins12V98
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spoon059 wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:Long bed, no compromise.
And you usually get a much bigger fuel tank with the long bed, another huge upgrade!
Let's keep the list going......
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op wrote: I really want to do with the standard B&W hitch in my F-350 with the 6'11" bed.
OP has the truck and trailer so no need to hijack his question with more mindless "gotta' have a long bed truck non sense".
OP you have the combo so make some 90 degree street corners and watch how it goes. You'll find the cab/trailer gets closer faster while making backing maneuvers.
That size bed and the newer trailers with the rounded/notched front corners won't need any help unless the pin is located too far forward of the trucks rear axle.
Then make a decision if a sliding hitch or Andersen or PullRite type GN ball hitch or one of the rotating pin box brands that can be used with your B&W conventional hitch.
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What will "get you" is if you are turning while the truck is going up a slight grade while the trailer is facing down.
Think of pulling out of a steep driveway while turning to enter a lane of travel.
Same thing if you are cutting it sharp while backing into your RV space next to your house- up a 8% grade.
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phillyg wrote:You don't need to get to 90 degrees, until you do. My experience has been that auto sliding hitches for short bed trucks are important.
Never did 90deg turn. We had a slider hitch but never used the sliding feature.
That said, do get up around 50-70deg occasionally. With a TT, you are capped around 45deg.
The difference is a TT starts turning almost immediately while a 5er takes a while before it starts turning.
That said, a long bed just avoids the issue all together.
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Most don't break out their back window at 90 degrees. It happens closer to the 45 degree area when the corner of the trailer is pointed at the truck and the trailer is going up a slope. I use an auto slider. Yes, it was comparatively expensive at the time of purchase. But I can tell you this. Just this summer I saw two different trucks at campgrounds with broken windows and bent cabs. Both had manual slider hitches that they didn't think they needed to move to back in.
A Pullrite Superglide puck mount (16K) cost around $1800.
A non sliding hitch costs $600 to $800. A new back window and straightening the cab will run you around $3,000. And then you will spend the $1800 for the auto slider.
As you can see spending the money up front is actually cheap insurance. Granted you do already have the B&W. So you are a little bit ahead on the costs. Sell that on FB Market place.
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Nv Guy wrote:What will "get you" is if you are turning while the truck is going up a slight grade while the trailer is facing down.
Think of pulling out of a steep driveway while turning to enter a lane of travel.
Same thing if you are cutting it sharp while backing into your RV space next to your house- up a 8% grade.
Thanks for the info! I've got the truck, but I do not have the hitch or trailer yet. I'm pretty sure we are going to go with the Brinkley Z3100, and want to get the B&W hitch. Whether to slide or not slide is the question. I'd rather not have the slide to make it easier to take in and out, and have a little more space in the bed.
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OP...here is a pic of my rig, with B&W no-slide, hooked up. It has pin centered over R/A, which is 41"s behind the cab. It allows plenty of turn/backing clearance with my FW, which has rounded corners (EZ-turn), designed to not need a long bed truck. I could be 38"s behind cab, and still be confident.
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StirCrazy
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when you buy your hitch get a manual slider and then you can only unlatch it and move it back when you do have a tricky situation. I had that on my old short bed ford and it was great.
If you only plan on camping in resorts and pull through sites you will never get close to 90 degrees, unfortunatly not all of us can aford nor want to stay in resorts. heck I have to swing it to 90 degreees just to park it in my yard and I do go to campgrounds where to get in I have to crank it almost or over 90 quite often so for me the manual slider in my old truck was important, now I have a long bed so I don't have to worry about it.
I myself went from a 28 foot trailer to a 40 foot 5th and I can get the 5th wheel in places that I used to barly be able to get the trailer in because of the ability to turn it sharper, but I woulnd't chance a fixed hitch in a short box, unless it is one of the brands with the nose cone that is designed to be able to do it. having that ability to shove the slider back when you need it is priceless and a manual slider is about the same cost as a normal fixed.
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