RetiredRealtorRick
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Reisender wrote:RetiredRealtorRick wrote:Yes, it is a shame that the Bolt is being discontinued, but IMO it sends a huge message. If Americans won't embrace what is probably the lowest priced, very affordable EV, it looks like the mainstream buyer is not ready for EV's. Bring on the economical ICE's and hybrids. I think they're here to stay for quite a while.
The bolt is being discontinued because they lose too much money on them. The price has to be as low as it is to compete with Teslas 38000 dollar model 3 which is a superior car in every way. Essentially they just got priced out of the market.
The base price of a Bolt is $26,500 -- a far cry from Tesla's $38,000 buy-in.
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RetiredRealtorRick wrote:Reisender wrote:RetiredRealtorRick wrote:Yes, it is a shame that the Bolt is being discontinued, but IMO it sends a huge message. If Americans won't embrace what is probably the lowest priced, very affordable EV, it looks like the mainstream buyer is not ready for EV's. Bring on the economical ICE's and hybrids. I think they're here to stay for quite a while.
The bolt is being discontinued because they lose too much money on them. The price has to be as low as it is to compete with Teslas 38000 dollar model 3 which is a superior car in every way. Essentially they just got priced out of the market.
The base price of a Bolt is $26,500 -- a far cry from Tesla's $38,000 buy-in.
I think that the main problem with the Bolt is its issue with fires. They may be fixed now but it is hard to shake the stigma. A lot like the history of the Fiero. The CCS charging is also a liability.
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midnightsadie wrote:me either ,they just don,t fit a country life stye they,ll work just fine for some people.not for others.and I agree with that guy that said drill baby drill. have a nice day.
I live out in the country and have 3 vehicles for my wife and I to use for daily driving. I am excluding the motorhome and the pickup that spends most of its time hooked up to my equipment trailer. One of the three vehicles is a Model Y and we really enjoy it. My wife likes driving it to work and never having to stop for gas. She uses the home charger that I installed and starts most every day with a full charge.
My equipment trailer is used mostly within 60 miles of home. When an affordable electric vehicle that would comfortably make the round trip with the trailer becomes available I will consider replacing the PU that I am using now. I realize that this is a camping column and campers need a much longer range but I suspect that a lot of contractors are in my situation. I do use my Model Y to pull my boat but a 90 mile round trip is about the most that I can do with it. Otherwise, it actually pulls better than my pickup.
Range has rarely been an issue and many charge stations have been added since I bought the Model Y so that is quickly becoming a non-issue around here.
My other two vehicles are an old Ford Ranger and an old minivan. Both fill unique niches in my needs and are handy to have around but neither gets used very much. We always drive the Tesla if it meets the needs of the trip.
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RetiredRealtorRick wrote:Reisender wrote:RetiredRealtorRick wrote:Yes, it is a shame that the Bolt is being discontinued, but IMO it sends a huge message. If Americans won't embrace what is probably the lowest priced, very affordable EV, it looks like the mainstream buyer is not ready for EV's. Bring on the economical ICE's and hybrids. I think they're here to stay for quite a while.
The bolt is being discontinued because they lose too much money on them. The price has to be as low as it is to compete with Teslas 38000 dollar model 3 which is a superior car in every way. Essentially they just got priced out of the market.
The base price of a Bolt is $26,500 -- a far cry from Tesla's $38,000 buy-in.
Exactly my point. They have to be that cheap to sell against the tesla. And even then the majority spend the extra money and step up to the tesla. Doing a cross country the country road trip in any season is easy with a tesla. A bolt…not so much. R
The bolt is a nice little commuter and works well for people who need it for that. But short of a large makeover it’s easier to just produce a whole new model with decent charging and tech. And that will happen with the Equinox. As well they need to produce its replacement in house in North America instead of just buying and importing all the significant bits from Korea and assembling them in North America.
I don’t think the bolt name will disappear. It’ll be back…someday.
All the above JMHO. Not an expert.
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Groover wrote:GM's production and "sales" of EVs, including pickup trucks, went up by a large percentage in the 3rd quarter. But they count vehicles as sold when the dealer takes them.
You are completely WRONG. The vehicle deliveries reported by all the OEMs represent the delivery of a vehicle to the ultimate customer.
Financially, the OEMs take financial revenue when ownership transfers to the dealer. This is not what the auto companies report.
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BB_TX wrote:Groover wrote:GM's production and "sales" of EVs, including pickup trucks, went up by a large percentage in the 3rd quarter. But they count vehicles as sold when the dealer takes them. ..........
True of all vehicles. All those thousands of EV, hybrid, and ICE vehicles setting on dealer lots count as sold.
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Boils down to the same thing. There’s an @ss for every seat and for many an EV of some sort is that seat.
Depends what you spend on cars too. Me, currently there is a different vehicle for each day of the week and 2 drivers. All of which could be daily’s technically.
And an EV would fit either of our commuting habits. But I have a company truck so free= better than everything else.
That said, $38k doesn’t seem bad, until I compare it to the last “new” (to me) vehicles I bought, a host of commuter beater suvs in the $5k range which get driven and sold for the same or more $ than purchased. Or the 2016 Ram. Gave $37k with 60k miles a few years ago. Can’t see spending $38k on a base model chit box commuter car….
Then there’s much of the population who are never “stepping up” to the Tesla from the bolt or whatever. They won’t even be in the EV game until those are dime a dozen used clunkers. And then they better hope they live in Saskatchetoon where everyone gets a free block heater outlet at their apt parking spot.
It’s a little assuming to think everyone can or does buy new or expensive vehicles.
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Grit dog wrote:Boils down to the same thing. There’s an @ss for every seat and for many an EV of some sort is that seat.
Depends what you spend on cars too. Me, currently there is a different vehicle for each day of the week and 2 drivers. All of which could be daily’s technically.
And an EV would fit either of our commuting habits. But I have a company truck so free= better than everything else.
That said, $38k doesn’t seem bad, until I compare it to the last “new” (to me) vehicles I bought, a host of commuter beater suvs in the $5k range which get driven and sold for the same or more $ than purchased. Or the 2016 Ram. Gave $37k with 60k miles a few years ago. Can’t see spending $38k on a base model chit box commuter car….
Then there’s much of the population who are never “stepping up” to the Tesla from the bolt or whatever. They won’t even be in the EV game until those are dime a dozen used clunkers. And then they better hope they live in Saskatchetoon where everyone gets a free block heater outlet at their apt parking spot.
It’s a little assuming to think everyone can or does buy new or expensive vehicles.
I hear ya. @ss for every seat. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") . I like that.
The base 38,000 tesla is a great commuter but for those who make occasional road trips it’s actually…ok. Mostly because of the supercharger network availability and speed.
Heads up. We used to own apartment buildings in Alberta. The block heater receptacle in the parking lot goes back to a breaker in the renters apartment so the renter normally pays the bill. Where we were in central Alberta at minus 35 with a gas or diesel vehicle you were plugged in, or starting in the morning was iffy. The 15 amp 120 volt receptacle would be adequate for modest commutes if charging from it. Maybe max 100 kilometre commutes. Maybe 70 in winter depending on the car. Not idea but I know a ton of people are doing it. It gets talked about on the EV groups often.
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I have two EVs and two ICE in my fleet and live in a metropolitan city. I never plan to use public charger within 100 miles of home where I plug in while I sleep. For any day trips under 200 miles, the EV is fine. For those living in smaller communities in their own home, an EV with level 2 EVSE is more than fine again for those 50-200 mile drives where one returns home at night. How many apartment complexes are there in towns of 9k? EV probably does not make sense for those 20 people.
Would I recommend an EV as only vehicle? Not in 2023 to anyone. However, there are a lot of benefits of EVs plus generally very cheap to own/operate competed to ICE.
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So how do ya run and charge those EVs when it’s 0 or -30 outside?
It’s great and all, but the only apartment places that seems to have convenience outlets for each car are also places where EVs don’t fare so well yet.
Even assuming charging immediately after returning home, with a warmed up battery, how much of that 15-20A convenience outlet is actually providing additional charge and how much is charging what the battery is using to maintain temperature?
Again, at this point, the technology is good for some (who also aren’t afraid to spend more money on cars) and not even close to a reality for many.
Just keeping the flip side of the story real, here.
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