wildtoad wrote:



You think there is enough should a large number of renters / condo owners switch to EV’s?

wildtoad wrote:



You think there is enough should a large number of renters / condo owners switch to EV’s?

pianotuna wrote:



Pretty much every apartment where I live has a 15 amp circuit available for running block heaters in the winter. Level one takes a long time to fill an EV but, at least in my case, would easily meet my needs. There is a level 2 charger within 1/4 block, too, should I need faster charging.

To be fair I just filled up the car for the first time since July. It was 2023 10 04. I use premium because I don't want the fuel to go sour. All long distance trips are done in the class C. My car, an Elantra from 2013 has 79,000 kilometres on it. It was a demo with 20k on it.

pianotuna wrote:



Pretty much every apartment where I live has a 15 amp circuit available for running block heaters in the winter. Level one takes a long time to fill an EV but, at least in my case, would easily meet my needs. There is a level 2 charger within 1/4 block, too, should I need faster charging.

To be fair I just filled up the car for the first time since July. It was 2023 10 04. I use premium because I don't want the fuel to go sour. All long distance trips are done in the class C. My car, an Elantra from 2013 has 79,000 kilometres on it. It was a demo with 20k on it.

wildtoad wrote:



You think there is enough should a large number of renters / condo owners switch to EV’s?

Groover wrote:

GM's production and "sales" of EVs, including pickup trucks, went up by a large percentage in the 3rd quarter. But they count vehicles as sold when the dealer takes them. The Bolt seems to be selling to consumers well but the Hummer, maybe not. Is it that consumers don't want them or is it the ridiculous markups the dealers are putting on the Hummer?

GM 3rd qtr EV sales

From autoevolution:
"Despite GM reporting 1,167 GMC Hummer EVs sold in the third quarter, many still lie on dealer lots, waiting for a buyer. A quick search on CarEdge reveals that 976 brand-new GMC Hummer EVs are available at dealerships. If you filter out the vehicles still in transit, 651 units are still waiting for a buyer. If you want to find out why, just look at the prices. Many are listed at more than $150,000, sometimes even $200,000. This means the dealer markups on these units are outrageous, in some cases as high as $100,000.

Of course, not all of them were reported as sold in the third quarter. CarEdge also mentions how long they've been on the market, so we used this filter. Remarkably, 849 of them have been on the market for between 7 and 97 days, which means they were likely delivered from July through September. This sounds like almost the entire third-quarter production is still waiting for a buyer."

Reisender wrote:

I think some of the newer companies like Lucid, Rivian and Tesla don’t count them sold until they are delivered. But for the most part they don’t stock them on lots either.

We have noticed a bunch of mustangs sitting on the ford lot but when we looked they all had big upcharges on them. Not sure why they do that. They are literally more expensive than a tesla model Y here. Weird.

wildtoad wrote:

I thought GM quit making the Bolt. I haven’t seen an ad for them lately. I expect a big push back EV’s and more attention paid to hybrids, alternate fuels, and a lot of folks putting off buying a new car until their existing one just falls apart. Then they’ll by a used car.

Grit dog wrote:



So you don’t barely drive anywhere. Great. Not sure why that’s pertinent unless you’re showing why a EV would be totally financially impractical for you.
Also fwiw, 2-3 months storage, your gas is still good. And premium doesn’t mean better quality or lasts longer unless it also happens to be alcohol free and the regular isn’t.
Different topic but may be of interest to you to help save a couple bucks.

Regarding the permanent bull bar in your apt parking lot, just like the guy who lives in Vancouver, you can’t just assume because you have something, everyone else does too. Because they don’t. Not even in many places where plugging in your car in the winter is somewhere between a convenience and a necessity.
The reality is, that “convenience” you have, even if it was the same everywhere, would be different once 75% of the residents were chugging 20A all night, every night, ALL year.
Supply and demand, go figure.
The first and even current EV owners are getting a huge bargain on the cost of their fuel. That’s great. Offsets a fair amount, at least, the high price of entry into the EV market.
If one is simple enough to think that will not change as the “predicted” fuel monopoly shifts to power companies from oil companies, come on over. I got a bunch of great stuff to sell you!
Same token, once EVs take over, as they are predicted to, there will be more competition in the manufacturing which will normalize the purchase prices.

Grit dog wrote:



Context would help here. Reisender lives in one of the most progressive areas of the continent. Far more environmentally “sensitive”, economically expensive and politically liberal/socialist than the vast majority of the US and Canada, both from a geographical and income/cost of living perspective.
Even moreso than Seattle/Portland area, where on any or every day to work, Teslas are like Toyota Camrys and more economical EVs and plug in hybrids are like Toyota corollas. And there’s not a day goes by I don’t see a couple 3 4 Rivians, a HummEE a few times a week, at least 1 Lightning per day and the occasional Lucid.
That’s where he lives. I’ll bet money that is nowhere near the same, actually guaranteed it’s not even close to what the car scene looks like in Stump Holler,SC or most of the country. All of it thus far if you take major metropolitan areas out of the mix.
No, there’s no “apartment EV charging stations” in Bear Scat, WI or Dead Cow, Nevada. Heck even if there was, folks there can’t afford them types of cars.
Pretending that rich city slickers living in apartments by choice is the norm is a false claim. Everyone else out there is living in an apartment because that’s all they can afford.
So even buying a used yet overpriced 10 year old Nissan Leaf with suspect batteries is off the table.
This is not anti EV. They have their place and their places are expanding. Somewhat forced by the govt, but it would be happening anyway, just not as far along.
It’s just tiring hearing over and over again how “convenient” it is to have an EV, with A. No mention of how you could afford that $100k thing and B. No consideration or pretending like the sheltered full featured city world you live in somehow exists everywhere else.