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way2roll wrote:I guess the real question is - is Ford doing this based on what they thought organic capitalistic demand is, or under government duress and funding to insulate from failure? …. .
I would say it is a competitive move, not just Ford, by all of them to get ahead of the game rather than try to play the come from behind game later. Whoever is first is likely to reap the greater profits. Like it or not EV is the future.
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BB_TX wrote:way2roll wrote:I guess the real question is - is Ford doing this based on what they thought organic capitalistic demand is, or under government duress and funding to insulate from failure? …. .
I would say it is a competitive move, not just Ford, by all of them to get ahead of the game rather than try to play the come from behind game later. Whoever is first is likely to reap the greater profits. Like it or not EV is the future.
I'll have to disagree. I think it's the interim future depending on who is holding the purse and the iron fist. But there's too many downsides to EV's right now. And while I get first gen of any product will have to have it's evolution, EV's just aren't better than ICE's. Not in performance and not in measurable ecological impact when you look at the process cradle to grave. And in order to have a real success, a product needs to be better than the one it's replacing. Either that or have it forced upon you. But being forced just illustrates my argument. If EV's were better they would have succeeded through their own merits decades ago. Success isn't really success if it's mandated. Consumer demand won't support the current EV offerings to offset ICE sales. Reminds me of the whole DEF solution for diesel emissions. Sure it might work on paper, but it's clunky, messy, provides it's own ecological impacts to production and the capper - the container it's in is not recyclable. Just trading one set of problems for another. This isn't solving anything - aside from filling more coffers. BTW - I am in no way anti EV. I am all for freedom of choice to buy the products you want. I don't want to infringe on any potential EV buyer from living their dream. Just don't make it part of my tax bill.
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BB_TX
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EVs are the future until, and if, something better comes along. Maybe a new technology will step up. Maybe not. Either way ICE engines will slowly be phased out. EVs are leaps and bounds above what they were a few years ago. And will continue to improve. And the charging infrastructure will continue to improve and expand. Manufacturing techniques and procedures will, by necessity, become more efficient and cleaner. Recycling will advance significantly. Electric generation will continue to expand using renewable sources, again by necessity.
IF a new and better technology comes along, then the whole process will start over and redirect toward that technology replacing EV and what is left of ICE.
But for the near future the auto manufacturers are going to be developing and marketing newer and more advanced EVs to be first to the market with the next best and most appealing one. Some will fail. But the manufacturer that is first to put out the one that is a step above everyone else and exudes that WOW factor will lead the market. And the one everyone else strives to equal or exceed. And that is what we can expect for the near future.
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I think we should try steam again as well.
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FishOnOne
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mosseater wrote:I think we should try steam again as well.
Or horse propulsion
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BB_TX
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FishOnOne wrote:mosseater wrote:I think we should try steam again as well.
Or horse propulsion
One has a smoke stack. The other has a different kind of tailpipe emissions. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
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I don't know how they can claim zero emissions, how much emissions were made in the construction/production of them and how (ow) much?
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Fisherman wrote:I don't know how they can claim zero emissions, how much emissions were made in the construction/production of them and how (ow) much?
I’m not sure what you are asking. During the operation of the vehicle there are no exhaust emissions.
Emissions during manufacture are a different metric and are easy to find and compare on the web.
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time2roll
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mosseater wrote:I think we should try steam again as well. Yes and fired with coal or heavy sulfur crude ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
Anyone know the range of a steam train engine before needing water?
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