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StirCrazy wrote:Treefrog wrote:California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.
Actually yes, they do, the testing is based on the output of that model. so, a 2008 car doesn't have to meet the same standards as a 2023 model, they test to the design and laws of the year.
I know with big rigs there were companies building brand new rigs with older rebuilt engines (called gliders) that would get around the emissions laws and testing as they technically were registered as a 1990ish due to the motor. in fact, all vehicles manufactured before 1976 do not even require a smog check in California. and there is a bill looking to change that to 1983 I believe.
Got it, so the thousands of diesel engines were not needlessly destroyed and replaced by regulatory fiat, correct- lol!!…,So I suppose (based on cherry picking) that we’re to believe these folks replaced their engines merely outta good will…
On the other hand, maybe news of this event didn’t make it above the 45th parallel ??
“Move along Sir, there’s nothing here to see”…
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1138461_california-ban-diesel-big-rigs-pre-2010-engines
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There are work-arounds to licensing an older pickup that can't pass new, more stringent standards - or at least there were here in Wa. state and it doesn't include buying any new equipment. Ca. is probably similar.
You just have to jump through the right hoops and pay.
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3 tons wrote:
“Move along Sir, there’s nothing here to see”…
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1138461_california-ban-diesel-big-rigs-pre-2010-engines
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Yep, the article indicated there were multiple exemptions while not showing the actual rules.
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Thanks for the Green Car link. I also found CARB information that supports the report. Plus out of state trucks that don't meet the requirements are banned from the state and can be fined. Details to be worked out. Apparently the EU does this and it works.
Times are changing and yes pickups are on the future radar. Like it or not CA is and has been the leader including the EPA in cleaner air . And about 20 states have adopted the same or similar requirements.
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Well, all I can offer to those who opt for abject disbelief is, the trucking industry sought and got no such elusive workarounds as they were forced to drill holes thru their engine blocks and this had zero to do with smoke - but as long as it’s the other person’s Ox thats getting gored, I suppose all then is well ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") , (SOP)
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I have a 2007 F250 6.0 PSD and live in California. I've had to do a smog on my truck since I bought it new every two years. Here's a link to BAR ....Smog 2023
Carb board keeps changing the rules so see their website if your diesel is over the 14500 GVWR you guys have some different rules to go by.
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Treefrog wrote:My reading of the regulations is that there is one standard for all engines to meet. I personally didn't see the language you speak of; do you have a section and subsection of that rule you can refer me to? Thank you.
if you think about it an engine produced in 1985 (let's say a ford 5L for an example) was designed to a certain environmental standard which was the mandate at the time. Now let's jump to that same 5L in the lait 90's. the mandate then was tighter for enviormental requirements so along the way ford would have had to redesign a few things to make that 80's 5L meet emissions standards in the lait 90's. now is it fair that that 80s 5L you have in your mustang would have to meet the same emission standards as that 98 mustang? not at all, that why when they do air care, they punch the year/make/model/engine and everything else into the system before they start the test then they either pass or fail on the requirments for that time. so, it might not be engine by engine exactly, but it might have max levels for each year then maybe engine class will have varables ie.gas vs diesel
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3 tons wrote:StirCrazy wrote:Treefrog wrote:California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.
Actually yes, they do, the testing is based on the output of that model. so, a 2008 car doesn't have to meet the same standards as a 2023 model, they test to the design and laws of the year.
I know with big rigs there were companies building brand new rigs with older rebuilt engines (called gliders) that would get around the emissions laws and testing as they technically were registered as a 1990ish due to the motor. in fact, all vehicles manufactured before 1976 do not even require a smog check in California. and there is a bill looking to change that to 1983 I believe.
Got it, so the thousands of diesel engines were not needlessly destroyed and replaced by regulatory fiat, correct- lol!!…,So I suppose (based on cherry picking) that we’re to believe these folks replaced their engines merely outta good will…
On the other hand, maybe news of this event didn’t make it above the 45th parallel ??
“Move along Sir, there’s nothing here to see”…
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1138461_california-ban-diesel-big-rigs-pre-2010-engines
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ya that will be interesting they tried that a few years ago but it got lost in the pandemic. As of now it's just a proposal and they are only targeting big rigs, like I said, personal vehicles over a certain age are exempt. I think they will be opening themselves up for major lawsuits unless existing registered ones are grandfathered in, and they just ban new registrations. If you look at it though, that's a 23-year-old truck. No large company is running something like that on the highway to make money so it's most likely a small section of the market and more of a look at what we are doing move by CARB to make it look like they're actually doing something.
even then people will get around it by opening up an LLC in Oregon and register their trucks in Oregon and continue doing trucking in Cali
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“As of now it's just a proposal and they are only targeting big rigs”…Really??…Your continuing non-factual based opining kinda reminds me of Voltaire’s renowned satirical classic, ‘Candide’
https://rvtroop.com/californias-war-on-out-of-state-diesel-motorhomes
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Candide-by-Voltaire
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3 tons wrote:“As of now it's just a proposal and they are only targeting big rigs”…Really??…Your continuing non-factual based opining kinda reminds me of Voltaire’s renowned satirical classic, ‘Candide’
https://rvtroop.com/californias-war-on-out-of-state-diesel-motorhomes
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Candide-by-Voltaire
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Sorry I read the article wrong, I thought the bill was introduced on that date and was still going for regulations. but the rest is true where most rigs that age are already done age wise. part if it is why they pick years that have a small number of units operating so there isn't much backlash.
Why do you start bringing up motorhomes when this is about big rigs? I will read that one, but I don't see what they could do given the US stat laws and if your legal in your state your legal everywhere else type rules, unless you guys have been lying to me ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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