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3 tons wrote:Volvo states that building an EV produces 70% more carbon pollution (whatever that means, kinda funny, was taught CO2 was a plant fertilizer!!) than an ICE vehicle…. “Diesel Bad”, don’t ya know - repeat the narrative!!
3 tons Everything I've read suggests current EV production is an environmental problem big time.
But everything else I've read suggests ICE's are on the way out for cars and trucks. Trains and ships not so sure.
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CA Traveler wrote:3 tons wrote:Volvo states that building an EV produces 70% more carbon pollution (whatever that means, kinda funny, was taught CO2 was a plant fertilizer!!) than an ICE vehicle…. “Diesel Bad”, don’t ya know - repeat the narrative!!
3 tons Everything I've read suggests current EV production is an environmental problem big time.
But everything else I've read suggests ICE's are on the way out for cars and trucks. Trains and ships not so sure.
Well Seattle, WA, has had electric (not battery) buses for as long as I can remember late 50's at least. They are feed by over head cables.
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Treefrog wrote:California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.
Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.
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valhalla360 wrote:Treefrog wrote:California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.
Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.
How’d that work out with the semis?
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valhalla360 wrote:Treefrog wrote:California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.
Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.
Ha, this might be true if it were a law, but it’s NOT - now go try and defeat an agency ‘regulation’ whether * State or Federal - even the ‘deep pockets’ trucking industry was unable to - and YES IT WAS RETROACTIVE…
* Agency Regulation making allows politicians to escape their proper law making duties, meaning a form of extra-constitutional governance…This is why it’s done…
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I'm not aware of any CA regulations that required upgrades more than the mfg equipment for cars and pickups. Regulations to meet mfg levels did occur.
Don't know about OTR trucks. However if heavy black smoke is a factor then clearly regulation needed to be a option.
I had my ups and downs with CA regulations. For me it was in part about costs which we all pay for.
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CA Traveler wrote:I'm not aware of any CA regulations that required upgrades more than the mfg equipment for cars and pickups. Regulations to meet mfg levels did occur.
Don't know about OTR trucks. However if heavy black smoke is a factor then clearly regulation needed to be a option.
I had my ups and downs with CA regulations. For me it was in part about costs which we all pay for.
Had zero to do with visible smoke - just wishful thinking going on…
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Grit dog wrote:valhalla360 wrote:Treefrog wrote:California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.
Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.
How’d that work out with the semis?
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Treefrog wrote:California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.
Actually yes, they do, the testing is based on the output of that model. so, a 2008 car doesn't have to meet the same standards as a 2023 model, they test to the design and laws of the year.
I know with big rigs there were companies building brand new rigs with older rebuilt engines (called gliders) that would get around the emissions laws and testing as they technically were registered as a 1990ish due to the motor. in fact, all vehicles manufactured before 1976 do not even require a smog check in California. and there is a bill looking to change that to 1983 I believe.
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My reading of the regulations is that there is one standard for all engines to meet. I personally didn't see the language you speak of; do you have a section and subsection of that rule you can refer me to? Thank you.
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