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@ScottG, yes you may be right.
Thinking now, the highest miles on a set of Z36 pads I have is on 2 vehicles I have currently. Both of which have about 50k miles on the pads and 60/110k on the vehicles and OE rotors.
Neither was showing perceptible rotor wear in the last year or so when inspected. But both still had a lot of meat on the pads too.
It splitting hairs and likely no one or very very few, at best, have enough objective personal data to say they eat up rotors…
It’s simply a non issue.
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StirCrazy wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:
If you have an exhaust brake you should never experience "brake fade".
well that just speaks to the obvious. how can you have brake fade if you don't use your brakes ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/rolleyes.gif "rolleyes")
Obvious to you but others may not understand the advantages of having an EB. Having cool brakes when needed is a huge benefit. Emergency braking just one example.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:"You get 145,000 miles out of the OEM brakes? LOL"
You obviously don't own a modern diesel with an exhaust brake.
I also obviously live in the real world. There is no way in hell you are getting 145,000 miles, or anything even close, out of OEM brakes. Or aftermarket either. Not even if you have half a dozen exhaust brakes on the truck and 3 on the trailer.
Internet forum BS.
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There was a time when one was lucky to get 25-30k out of front brakes, maybe x2 or 3 out of the rear.
80-150k out of some depending upon how much is stop and go vs freeway driving.
IMHO choose what pads/drum material is best for you.
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StonedPanther wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:"You get 145,000 miles out of the OEM brakes? LOL"
You obviously don't own a modern diesel with an exhaust brake.
I also obviously live in the real world. There is no way in hell you are getting 145,000 miles, or anything even close, out of OEM brakes. Or aftermarket either. Not even if you have half a dozen exhaust brakes on the truck and 3 on the trailer.
Internet forum BS.
I have been on this Forum much longer than you so I will cut you some slack. Ask any longtimers on here they will tell you I don't lie or exaggerate as I have no reason to do so.
I am sure you will say the same about me getting 65k with plenty of tread on my DRW Michelin's with tread left. That's towing 1/2 the miles with full RAWR load. I also used to get 120k easily with 3rd gen Michelin's on my 98 12V 4x4.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
I have been on this Forum much longer than you so I will cut you some slack. Ask any longtimers on here they will tell you I don't lie or exaggerate as I have no reason to do so.
I am sure you will say the same about me getting 65k with plenty of tread on my DRW Michelin's with tread left. That's towing 1/2 the miles with full RAWR load. I also used to get 120k easily with 3rd gen Michelin's on my 98 12V 4x4.
Whatever ROFLMAO. I get 140,000 miles out of brakes and 120,000 miles out of tires too. Every year when I take my annual trip to Fantasy Mountain.
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Lol, that’s literally the best part of this forum! Well, there’s several. From people who ask where to poop ?? if they get a camper with no toilet, to the pseudo “sponsored” “senior” members who think belonging to a forum a long time gives them street cred!
In all fairness, 12V is a good dude and knows his “stuff”. Even if he lets you know how much he knows, regularly.
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Although he is softening up a bit. Not long ago he would have told anyone who’d listen and some that wouldn’t, that ceramic brake pads were NOT in any way sufficient for HD trucks and towing…lol.
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I was a memeber of a sprint car race team 25 years ago. I have seen a lot of drilled/slotted rotors glowing cherry red. after such a race, everything got replaced.
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StonedPanther wrote:Cummins12V98 wrote:"You get 145,000 miles out of the OEM brakes? LOL"
You obviously don't own a modern diesel with an exhaust brake.
I also obviously live in the real world. There is no way in hell you are getting 145,000 miles, or anything even close, out of OEM brakes. Or aftermarket either. Not even if you have half a dozen exhaust brakes on the truck and 3 on the trailer.
Internet forum BS.
I have facts showing your wrong. My sons 2004 duramax has 260K miles on it with the OEM pads and I suspect they will go another 50K. And I'm not the only one. 3 others I know with GM 3/4 ton trucks have ALL passed 250K on the original brakes. And even with that miles the rotors show very little wear.
Oh. and the 2004 does NOT have and EB and over 100K of the miles have been towing a 10K lb trailer around the pacific NW.
BTW GM uses (at least 2004-15) akebono as OEM supplier and the pads are akebono ceramic.
My 2015 Duramax similar. It has 75K miles and the pads are less than 25% worn. And again, most of the miles are from towing a 10K lb trailer around the pacific NW.
And my neighbor with F-2450's has run two of them past 200K with OEM pads.
Brake pads have improved dramatically once they got rid of asbestos, went to larger wheels allowing much larger calipers and move to advance materials such as the ceramic materials.
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