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Willie Jim

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Year old Bullet camper, AC General Electric unit lists three model numbers, with a square the manufacturer was supposed to mark the appropriate square, but didn't. It draws 13.2 amps running load which agrees with the smallest model.
On house power it starts & runs fine. On the occasion I can get it started, it runs fine on the generator.
Generator is a new Generac GP3300I rated 2500 watts continuous & 3300 starting power (20.8 & 27.5 amps)

Hard start capacitor sets are available on line, but little information is given about installation or applications.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Make sure the house battery is fully charged or disconnect the battery. If the battery is drawing a charge from the generator this may "rob" power from starting the A/C.


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I'll try disconnecting battery. I see no circuit labeled battery charger in the breaker panel, guess it is powered through the main breaker.

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AC units (any motor) will need to draw 6X running current for just an instant at startup. When plugged in at home or a campsite that is no problem getting that from the utility.
Problem comes in trying to do it from a generator.
Solution is the Mico air soft start. Don't waste $15 on a "hard start capacitor" those only help when connected to the utility power.

https://www.micro-air.com/products_groups_easystart_soft_starters_microair.cfm


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Motors and especially heavier duty motors can draw substantial amps during startup. I just bought a 3,200 watt rated inverter gen with a 4,000 watt peak. I would not expect a problem with one A/C starting, 2 at the same time could be a problem. Will do some testing with the RV A/Cs because I want to know. I don't expect any issue with it's intended application of 2 household refers.


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Your generator is likeky rated at sea level. Higher elevation reduces power output.

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Motors and especially heavier duty motors can draw substantial amps during startup. I just bought a 3,200 watt rated inverter gen with a 4,000 watt peak. I would not expect a problem with one A/C starting, 2 at the same time could be a problem. Will do some testing with the RV A/Cs because I want to know. I don't expect any issue with it's intended application of 2 household refers.


I'm intimately familiar with extra load starting motors, Air Conditioning tends to be worse than other loads. This generator claims to handle starting load twice that of full load amps. I hoped that meant a struggle to start, it'd take a second to get up to speed. It seems with more experimenting to sometimes manage to start the load. I'm leaning toward installing the soft start.

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Willie Jim wrote:

I'll try disconnecting battery. I see no circuit labeled battery charger in the breaker panel, guess it is powered through the main breaker.


If you do that than all the 12V loads will need to be powered from the generator via the 120/12V inverter.
If you could disconnect the inverter, then any 12V loads would be supplied by the battery.

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It is not an "Inverter" It is a "Converter"
Inverters change 12-volts DC to 120-volts AC
Converters change 120-volts AC to 12-volts DC.


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Willie Jim wrote:

I'll try disconnecting battery. I see no circuit labeled battery charger in the breaker panel, guess it is powered through the main breaker.


NOPE, Main breaker only connects to the sub breakers. More than likely the charger is on one of the other breakers, likely one of the outlet breakers.
30A panel from what I've gathered only have 5 breakers per code. AC requires dedicated breaker, So does WH, Usually MW on it's own, that leaves 2 120V outlet breakers and the usually tie the charger to one of those.

Smart thing to do is to ditch code, add another dedicated breaker for the charger.


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