Camaurice
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I do not know how to reply to each individual, but want to thank everyone for their opinions. All makes good sense. Especially the one that says keep our 2500 and save money. The reason for possibly getting a new truck was because we are in snow country and our existing truck is not 4 wheel drive. We thought about selling our awd car and getting a 4 wheel drive truck Going down to one vehicle. We have a lot to think about.
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Grit dog
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Tyler0215 wrote:You won't notice any improvement in gas milage going froma 2500 to a 1500.
They are the same size. Different weight capacity. The Ford ecoboost might be a good choice. They seem to get better mileage than the V8's.
That said, I think any 5th wheel will pull better with a 2500. You will be close to max cargo weight in most 1500's.
Lol. Too bad the bigger trucks always get worse mileage, not even close. Couple few mpg different consistently.
But to your point, one will never get worse enough mileage compared to the other to make “buying a new truck” a financial savings. But it’s a good justification for a new truck! Lol.
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As expected Grit Dog you did not like the recent reputable business news articles I posted about Ford's admitted serious quality problems and as usual you attack the messenger. I feel sorry for your grumpy and small attitude. I do a lot of fishing and camping trips with access to wifi and cellular and as an investor enjoy reading many online business news publications. Maybe you need to broaden your mind sport.
Also Mr. Slow I posted those articles as my reason the OP should stay with GMC or pick another brand at this time. I enjoyed greatly owning and driving my Ford Van many years ago. Cheers to those with open minds and common sense.
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Thermoguy
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Downgrading a truck to get better gas mileage might not work that great.
I've had 3 in recent years.
2001 GMC 8.1 Liter - didn't get good mileage.
2007 GMC Yukon 5.3 Liter - had the feature that turned off 4 cylinders when driving on the highway, still couldn't get better than about 16mpg
2015 Chev 2500 Diesel - best gas mileage of them all - up to 20 highway, mostly around 16-18 in the Pacific NW. Typical with trailer 12-14.
My work vehicle is a 2016 Ford Explorer - at best 19-20 freeway. Not much better than the 2500... obviously gas is cheaper.
Yes, I have a 3rd vehicle and my truck is only used when I need a truck. I like that I can park in any downtown garage, parking space, etc when working and not worry about trying to park a larger truck. But, If I didn't have the luxury of a 3rd vehicle, then I would be fine driving the 2500 all the time.
The point of this is that my mid size explorer doesn't get much better mileage over the Diesel truck, and the full size SUV was awful on gas. Just because it is less capable doesn't mean it gets better fuel economy.
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JIMNLIN wrote:Buying and maintaining a 2nd vehicle didn't make cents/sense for my use and others. BTDT.
Figure up the cost of a second vehicle....insurance...maintenance cost over long term. My and others issues with two vehicles is a 600-700 mile a week work commute. It made cents to keep driving my current '03 2500 Dodge/Cummins HO that ran 21.5-22 mpgs week after week month on month. 20 years later even with 380k miles on the odo the truck still works pulling my 11k lb rv and other smaller/larger trailers.
Same with a older 2500 chevy 5.7 truck. Ran it for 9 years on a shorter work commute.
Others that live in town and have a short commute, and money for a 2nd vehicle, may work for them.
A F150 3.5 EB with a 7500 gvwr/4050-4500 rawr (20+ mpgs) will handle that small trailer with ease. The big plus here is no added cost of operating a 2nd vehicle.
Sure, great, if you have the time, knowledge and inclination to keep an old 400k mile rig on the road….I can, but fortunately I can choose not to, financially speaking.
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@Nammedevac70.
I am thankful for your service in our military. Regardless of your petty internet posts. Thank you sir!
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Camaurice wrote:I do not know how to reply to each individual, but want to thank everyone for their opinions. All makes good sense. Especially the one that says keep our 2500 and save money. The reason for possibly getting a new truck was because we are in snow country and our existing truck is not 4 wheel drive. We thought about selling our awd car and getting a 4 wheel drive truck Going down to one vehicle. We have a lot to think about.
Yup sounds like not just the towing question thing.
Be forewarned, your old truck, not being diesel and especially not being 4wd and even moreso if it’s only an ext cab may surprise you how little it’s worth, comparatively, even if it’s lower miles and great shape.
Your finances are none of our business so just general recommendations. And your vehicle uses/needs, suggesting you could downsize to one vehicle, seem to be a larger part of the equation than for most (that aren’t retired and/or only have one driver needin wheels).
Now the “but”. Gonna assume you’re realistically trying to overall save money with your change in vehicle choices and that is one of the greatest motivators in your query.
There are many factors to figure in, only one of which is towing the 5ver.
Your current truck even if it’s cherry and low mile is at best a 20% down payment on a new CC 4x4 half ton that is reasonably well equipped. Yet, if it is cherry, what’s it cost you a year for insurance (the only appreciable cost that is doubled up in your scenario)? Old car , old people assume good driving record, $100/mo or less with large liability limits and comp/collision. Peanuts if you drop the collision coverage even if you feel need to keep high liability.
My point is, if the truck is in great shape and reasonably will be for a while, there is not a more economical option than keeping what ya got. Period.
Anything beyond that is a want or need to upgrade based on use, preference or “can’t take it with ya.”
Oh and if ya ain’t in a hurry but still wanna upgrade, the falling prices (finally) haven’t hit near bottom yet.
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Lots of talk about mpgs and lots of personal opinions or data.
Until a few years ago, you couldn’t convince me that any comparable half ton or HD gasser was appreciably different in mpgs from its competition +/- a few years or a decade.
That said I have owned, been assigned (work trucks) or been responsible for more trucks than most all “normal” consumers. Not all but a good cross section of brands and models all with significant seat time.
And despite some of the engine management issues with new tech and despite the curmudgeons’ views on transmissions with more than 4 maybe 6 forward gears,
I can say confidently a NEW 10 speed 350-400hp pickup will better the best comparative example of a fuel injected 4 speed truck from 15-20 years ago by several mpg….empty.
Towing is much closer or the same, or maybe worse if the better power and gearing makes your right foot a little itchier.
But apples to apples, for a normal lightly used consumer vehicle it’s not going to save you more in gas than it costs for everything else.
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Grit dog wrote:@Nammedevac70.
I am thankful for your service in our military. Regardless of your petty internet posts. Thank you sir!
I am responding to your constant petty post against me whenever I post anything or comment on this forum. Your personal dislike is plain to everyone and I have never attacked you or even know you knuckle head. Get over it Jackson.
My so called by you petty internet post contain links to recent business news articles related to the issue being discussed.
Your appreciation of my service is phony to me and others.
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I suspect the salesman will say.
The price is MSRP, non negotiable.
However I do see some half ton models do have factory incentives with quite a few on the lot. They're specific models with specific powertrains and options. Most likely what was sitting in storage lots for months waiting on chips. Good luck with any of these Covid vehicles. Sales folks will outright laugh at you currently if you want to order an HD truck optioned how you want it and expect to get something off of MSRP. The local GMC dealer here will tell you MSRP to order on a 3500, and they're only getting allocated less than 6 a month so you go on the waiting list with no solid dates.
Personally I think anyone who buys a vehicle right now new, with interest rates spiraling up, and all the shortage/manufacturing BS you'll be getting due to the effects and after effects from Covid, is a complete fool. Be prepared to spend plenty of time at the dealer for recalls and other warranty foolishness.
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