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mkirsch wrote:Keeping what you got isn't free.
I'm already off to a rip roaring start this year. Went to pull my trusty 2002 Silverado 3500 out of the barn, won't barely move. Bunch of transmission codes.
I think my 2015 Silverado 1500's torque converter is coming apart too. It's got the "shutter" that everyone posts about and it's right in that mileage range where the torque converters go bad. Just Saturday it started throwing a message "Service 4WD" and won't shift into 4x4.
A common issue at least in the 88+ ifs units, was for the 4wd electric part to engage the coupling will go out. Its been awhile since I have heard about this issue.....
Good Luck with this.
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Grit dog wrote:Find a good trans shop now if it just started the shudder. My 2016 (same truck/trans as yours) did that for the first 60k of its life before coming apart.
I took the truck in with a couple thousand miles on it and told the dealer the TQ converter had an issue. Of course “cannot replicate” was the finding. Mine only did it under high load from a stop. Of course you can’t replicate that by driving an empty truck around the block…lol.
I’m all but certain the “shudder “ didn’t do any damage downstream until something finally came apart. Like I said, did it since new, never got appreciably worse, truck was horse whipped pretty hard in that 60k miles. Like bumper pull trailers in the 10-14k range flat peddled up n over the Cascades with 4-5000rpm grade braking comin down the other side.
Then one day it started acting up.
I never read about the issue much (company truck, didn’t care) but from a practical standpoint I’m 90% sure a new tq converter before it self destructed would have saved the trans without propagating more issues.
Hope this helps.
And the 4wd issue is likely unrelated (fortunately or unfortunately depending how you look at it).
Is your 02 an Alli or a 4L80? 100k miles maybe a bit more is a good/average lifespan for a 4L60/4L80.
The 1500 has a shudder/shake to it sitting at a light, but only sometimes. Shifting to neutral causes it to stop.
Transmission temperatures are pushing 190 just driving around, which is what's really bothering me. I never really paid attention before, but I can't remember it getting that hot, even towing.
The 02 is the Allison. 52,000 miles on it. Throwing P0700, P0843 and P0875 codes... All just say something amorphous about "low pressure" which is a "WELL DUH!" from me... It won't move!
Sorry to the OP for hijacking. I won't discuss further.
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Somewhere in the past 6 pages, the OP stated that he was looking at a replacement vehicle to get into 4WD.....and since he was getting into 4WD, he wanted to evaluate 1/2 ton options.
- Having made a couple cycles of living in AK then Texas then AK and finally resting in AK, I consider 4WD a must have. With the steep driveway I have at the house, I wouldn't get 2WD out without tirechains and a freshly plowed path. FWIW, one fine January day a while back, I lost the TC on my little wrangler turning it into a poseur 2WD. Had to get a snatch and grab with the local wrecker service and the Wrangler wasn't under the "discount towing" insurance. So $185 dollars later, it was out of my driveway ready to drive under 2WD to the shop. Long way of saying that 4WD has at least the potential to save some big $$ hits and might offset a lot of fuel costs.
- So if 4WD is something the OP wants, that may resolve the "buy or not" decision.
- If buying....it's up to each person, but in my case, I'm a follow the numbers guy; If I was buying, I'd want to buy within the GVWR / GCVWR #'s. So confirm the weight of your 5th wheel (including pin weight) and use that for shopping.
- As to what to buy, the market is still different than what it was but it may be getting back to normal. Dunno, but it still seems like prices and interest rates on new vehicles are pretty high.
- Can't speak for CA or the mountain west, but up here, if one can get a good bargain on a used 4WD, the time to get that bargain is early summer long before even a hint of the coming winter....
- If that holds true elsewhere, it might be possible to source a good used 4WD 3/4 ton that would clearly handle the OP's trailer...and likely quite a bit below the cost of a new 1/2 ton.
- Maybe that cost savings for a bit more competent truck would ease the pain of not getting any better MPG.
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mkirsch wrote:Grit dog wrote:Find a good trans shop now if it just started the shudder. My 2016 (same truck/trans as yours) did that for the first 60k of its life before coming apart.
I took the truck in with a couple thousand miles on it and told the dealer the TQ converter had an issue. Of course “cannot replicate” was the finding. Mine only did it under high load from a stop. Of course you can’t replicate that by driving an empty truck around the block…lol.
I’m all but certain the “shudder “ didn’t do any damage downstream until something finally came apart. Like I said, did it since new, never got appreciably worse, truck was horse whipped pretty hard in that 60k miles. Like bumper pull trailers in the 10-14k range flat peddled up n over the Cascades with 4-5000rpm grade braking comin down the other side.
Then one day it started acting up.
I never read about the issue much (company truck, didn’t care) but from a practical standpoint I’m 90% sure a new tq converter before it self destructed would have saved the trans without propagating more issues.
Hope this helps.
And the 4wd issue is likely unrelated (fortunately or unfortunately depending how you look at it).
Is your 02 an Alli or a 4L80? 100k miles maybe a bit more is a good/average lifespan for a 4L60/4L80.
The 1500 has a shudder/shake to it sitting at a light, but only sometimes. Shifting to neutral causes it to stop.
Transmission temperatures are pushing 190 just driving around, which is what's really bothering me. I never really paid attention before, but I can't remember it getting that hot, even towing.
The 02 is the Allison. 52,000 miles on it. Throwing P0700, P0843 and P0875 codes... All just say something amorphous about "low pressure" which is a "WELL DUH!" from me... It won't move!
Sorry to the OP for hijacking. I won't discuss further.
It’s all good. OP can get some real world opinions if anyone else who tows a 5ver with a half ton shows up. Guessing those folks are few and far between on a forum seemingly dedicated to recommending a dually for more than a full cart of groceries… lol.
Regarding your half ton, that’s the start of it. I bet if you hooked 10klbs to it and mashed the skinny pedal from a stop with no tire spin you’d feel it then as well.
I don’t have definitive data other than the same issue for 60k miles until she pooped the bed one day….not towing.
Regarding the Alli, unless mice chewed wires, likely a stuck valve from age/lack of use. 2400miles per year, average, assuming some years less or none as well is the definition of things going “bad” from not being used. Imo.
But there’s virtually no chance the trans is toast unless there’s more to the story.
Have you tried clearing the codes and see if maybe it was in limp mode and pulls its act together?
Sounds like you need a trusted intuitive Indy trans guy who isn’t trying to fund his coke habit or entire retirement off of just mkirsch! Lol. I know good shops are hard to come by.
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Camaurice wrote:I am thinking of buying a new truck to pull our winnebago micro Minnie 5th wheel. We currently have a 2006 gmc 2500 . I’d like to go with a smaller truck for gas mileage and was thinking of a Toyota Tundra or GMC 1500 4x4. While the trailer is fairly light and we’ve been told a 1500 can pull this trailer, I’d like to hear other opinions. Is there anyone who has any experience towing smaller 5th wheels with these trucks? . Gross Vehicle Weight is 7000 on the trailer.
If you do ever come back to this thread, this is one option if you order a 4X4 F-150 with both the trailer tow PKG & heavy duty payload PKG should give you a payload around 2500#. I have no issues pulling my Jayco 24 RBS. (GTW is 7500# and scaled at 7000#)
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