dougrainer
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Tow Capacity has to do with the HITCH that is installed, NOT the Chassis or Powertrain. Newmar installed 5000 lb hitches. The HITCH is rated at a MAX of 5000 lbs. Later, Newmar and Monaco and others installed 10k hitches. BUT, if you increase above 5000 lbs you will have to beef up the Hitch and its mounting to the chassis frame. LOTS of Diesel owners have done that to pull loads greater than 5000 lbs. Doug
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Plumber101010
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jplante4 wrote:With all those restrictions, I'd be surprised if you got any responses.
The ONLY way it would be an issue my friend, would be if you were planning on addressing one of those three I POLITELY asked you not to, which means I’m glad you didn’t respond.. And based upon the way you already did respond, I can only also assume you would’ve been the type to have!
I find 80% of everybody here to be extremely nice and helpful. But there’s always a few that just HAVE to be and say something negative like this! Obviously, I wouldn’t of taken the time to make that statement if I haven’t seen it happen 10,000 times and threads can get misdirected and thrown way off course discussing things that the OP never wanted to discuss to begin with.
Be a little more open minded and if you have something to say that can help me learn, fantastic. If not... why bother posting anything?
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Plumber101010
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hipower wrote:mike brez wrote:That 300hp engine ain't going to like it
For many years we trucked freight up and down the highways with less than 200 HP. Long before the interstate highway system eliminated or bypassed some of the real grades on this country. 300 HP is not even slightly taxed by moving a motorhome and a toad down the road today unless you expect the combination to drive like a car and not a large vehicle.
Exactly my thoughts, and I thank you for your honesty!!!!
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Plumber101010
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mike brez wrote:K Charles wrote:GCWR minus GVWR. There brochure says it's 324000 and 27400
I think your #s are a little off ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
I agree, the specifications I am showing is tad under 26,000 fully loaded!
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Plumber101010
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hipower wrote:I can't and won't get into the legalities etc., just stating my personal experience.
I have a 2003 DS (4050) 40 diesel coach. I have approximately 105,000 on it and have pulled my 2009 Chevy Silverado about 30,000 miles behind it. I don't know the weight of the truck either empty or loaded as we tow it. Sometimes it has a bunch of extra stuff in it, others it has our golf cart in it. I use a 10K rated Blue Ox tow bar and baseplate along with an auxiliary braking system. I have never beefed up the original hitch and inspect it once a year just to make sure nothing has broken or come loose.
I have never experienced any engine, transmission or other drive train issues that could be remotely attributed to towing my truck.
Advice to the OP, do what you want with this info on my personal experience.
Do what I want with your info? Absolutely, what I am doing with that info is smiling from ear to ear right now ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") you have a crew cab or standard?
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Plumber101010
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Rick Jay wrote:Sorry, I'm probably violating at least one of your rules, but what minivan has a 5,000 lb. tow rating? We may be looking for a replacement for our Odyssey in the coming years and I've yet to see any minivan with more than a 3,500 lb. tow limit, and even that is usually with only a single occupant in the van.
Why don't you just look for DP with a 10,000+ lb. tow rating? There seems to be quite a few of them around. In fact, I just checked on the 2000 Newmar Brochure and that floorplan on the Spartan Chassis has a GCWR of 37,400 and a GVWR of 27,400, so it should be able to handle 10,000 lbs.
So, I suspect if you do research (maybe you already did) on the differences between the Spartan and Freightliner chassis of that era, you might have an answer.
Well, whatever you decide, good luck in your search and decision.
Rick
Actually I did not do a comparison between the two chassis. I’m not really searching with that kind of criteria. I’m basically doing a search for certain years, certain brands, certain amount of money, things like that. I haven’t narrowed it down to only being in a Newmar, though that is my first choice next to maybe a Monaco or American Coach.
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I hear I need to get something before the computer age, I think that’s a 1999 I forget now I read so much, but I’m more particular about it looks like the newer models even though it’s old. This particular unit is unbelievable. It’s painted and it looks like it just came off the factory show room floor. You could not tell the difference between this and a 2018. That’s what I love about it. Along with high mileage it’s a winning combination for me around the $45,000 range. I’ve seen lots of units but they have that “old” look to it and I don’t like that. Plus I hear a lot of places won’t let you in with anything over 10 years old and I could actually tell them this is a 2012 instead of 2000 and they would be hard-pressed to tell the difference !!’ LOL
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I dinghy tow a 3/4 ton CC Silverado with a Polaris RZR in the bed. Never got a fully loaded weight but I would guesstimate at 8,000 lbs. fully loaded. I have 275 HP so I will never set a speed record but still plenty of power to go anywhere I want.
I am certainly pushing the limits of my DP as you will be but it can be done and done safely. Reinforce the hitch and frame as needed (remember almost no tongue weight when flat towing just pushing/pulling forces), expect slower acceleration and hill climbing, stopping may be a little longer but I see/feel no difference. I find myself having to look in the camera just to confirm it is still behind me. And then the obvious make sure the tow bar is up to the challenge, auxiliary lights on the truck, and some sort of auxiliary brake system for the truck. Length can also come into play. I have a 36" DP and with the CC short bed hooked up I am just under the 65' mark.
Also one thing that can affect tow ratings is which Allison you have. A call to freightliner revealed that my DP was rated at 5,000 lbs. towing because of a 5 speed 2000 series Allison on the Fleetwood spec. sheet which was not accurate. I have a 6 speed 3000 series which according to freightliner would have allowed a 10,000 lb. rating.
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OLYLEN
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Had the same frame(only with the 330 Cat), had a hitch, truck trailer shop add to the hitch to go to 10000#, xtra welds and a couple gussets. Ya you might be a bit slow going up the hill but so are the big trucks. I would add a Scan gauge so you can keep an eye on trans temps and digital rather than a swinging needle on motor temp. Would also keep the Cat at 2200 or a little better RPM for best cooling on the hills, pass's. On the welding unhook the batteries to keep the electronics safe.
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Can we assume by the OP's name that they are a plumber? If so, I have to wonder if they follow code when working in their trade? I would almost bet they do, because when an inspector shows up to sign off on a permit, if code has not been followed, then there is no approval... job stopped. See, codes and capacities are in place for very good reasons.
Now, I have seen some answers here that are very far from being accurate. If this guy really wants good information it won't come from here. Maybe a call to Freightliner might enlighten them to the engineering involved in establishing ratings and capacities (axle and brake ratings etc.). Just a thought...
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