TimnJo
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Hi JaxDad,
You're quite correct about the annual inspections, here's the part I missed, from the MTO website:
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/commercial-vehicle-safety-requirements.shtml
Here's the relevant text, I highlighted some parts:
"Annual and semi-annual inspections
An annual inspection is valid for 12 months.
Trucks, trailers and converter dollies, alone or in combination, with a total gross weight, registered gross weight or manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,500 kg require an annual inspection.
Total gross weight: the weight transmitted to the highway by the truck and/or trailer - includes the driver, passenger, fuel, equipment, tools, cargo, etc. carried by the truck and/or trailer."
This means that almost everybody towing an RV isn't in compliance, if we assume that a pickup towing an RV is considered a commercial vehicle, (as these regulations only appear in that part of the website).
So your FIL had to get an inspection and a yellow sticker?
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shum02
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TimnJo wrote:
This means that almost everybody towing an RV isn't in compliance, if we assume that a pickup towing an RV is considered a commercial vehicle, (as these regulations only appear in that part of the website).
So your FIL had to get an inspection and a yellow sticker?
Yup you got it! And yea, I knew this would go the way it has.
Here is a quote from the MTO's FAQ's page
The Highway Traffic Act considers all pickup trucks to be commercial motor vehicles, but a pickup truck only needs a Commercial Vehicle Operator's Registration (CVOR) certificate if it has an actual or registered gross weight of more than 4,500 kg.
A personal-use pickup truck means a pickup truck that:
is being used for personal purposes without compensation
has a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating of 6,000 kg (13,227 lb) or less(this contradicts the first part!), and is fitted with either:
the original box that was installed by the manufacturer, which has not been modified, or
a replacement box that duplicates the one that was installed by the manufacturer and has not been modified
is not carrying or towing a trailer carrying commercial cargo or tools or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes
Now you can take that and interpret it any way you want but I will also say that there is all kinds of contradictions in the MTO's "rules" regarding pickups and RV's(buses and huge 5th wheels come to mind). Take it for what you want, believe what you want, pay them what you want. I have yet to see of hear of anyone getting nicked by them who was exclusively towing or carrying for personal use. Anything else is internet lore.
BTW just the other day I was waved through a Mississauga truck inspection set up on Derry and 427 in my F350 cause, yea, I ain't commercial.
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JaxDad
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TimnJo wrote:So your FIL had to get an inspection and a yellow sticker?
No, that’s the ridiculous part of it, our F150 needs a sticker, the FL is licensed as a motorhome, it has no RGVWR, it is a “passenger vehicle” now.
Ditto other instances, if your chassis is a Suburban it can be licensed as a passenger vehicle, the same chassis as a pickup is a commercial vehicle. Go figure.
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shum02 wrote: BTW just the other day I was waved through a Mississauga truck inspection set up on Derry and 427 in my F350 cause, yea, I ain't commercial.
Nobody is saying a pickup needs a CVOR, in fact quite the opposite.
However the annual yellow Safety Inspection, which has NOTHING to do with a CVOR is required by nearly every pickup, especially if it tows a trailer.
As long as you have a nice fresh bright yellow sticker clearly visible on the truck and you’re unladen, yes, in a lot of cases they will just flag you on past. We get the same thing on occasion.
BTW, ‘you’ aren’t commercial, but your truck certainly IS a commercial vehicle.
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