Talleyho69
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Thanks so much for everything you have done for all of us!!
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MEXICOWANDERER
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As Pemex says, "this will be irrefutable proof that the gasolinera has UBA diesel."
"But the signage will be withheld until every last gasolinera in the country has UBA"
My own recommendation until the signs go up is to refer to official PEMEX publications for the serial number of the franquicia to verify UBA presence.
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Talleyho69
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Gee, how many years to you think it will take Pemex to put up signs on all of their stations, when they made it publicly known that all of their stations have UBA?
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moisheh
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Has anyone noticed if the pumps or signs state the fuel is ulsd ?
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Ed White
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I have received several reports over the summer that some stations on the Mainland, both Pemex and the private competitors like Shell and Esso, are actively advertising that they carry UBA diesel.
It wouldn't make much financial sense though to change all the signs at the Pemex stations to say UBA at this stage of the game - why bother. Pemex Head Office told me today in an email, very emphatically, that they do not own the retail outlets, that they are all owned by franchisees who decide for themselves whether to advertise that they have ULSD.
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MEXICOWANDERER
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Gee, how many years to you think it will take Pemex to put up signs on all of their stations, when they made it publicly known that all of their stations have UBA?
It is stated within the foot tall agreement between PEMEX and the franquicia that it is the financial responsibility and the functional responsibility of the franquicia to PURCHASE and INSTALL any signage changes that the company shall require.
I went through the primary stages of franquicia with PEMEX in a feasibility study to see if erection of a gasolinera in Chucutitan Michoacan would be possible. There would be over EIGHTY SEPARATE INSPECTIONS during the construction by Pemex. Every rivet, every sack of cement, every contractor has to be on the PEMEX approved list. The Lighting fixtures, Plumbing, electrical, pump safety shutoff switch, restroom fixtures and appliances, door, signage and decals have to be applied by PEMEX approved contractors, inspected and signed off by inspectors.
You folks really need to talk to a franquicia owner to gain proper perspective of this. You have to have a bank account in one a just a small handful of banks approved by PEMEX. Deposits for fuel have to be made four working days before the PIDE the order is made and then the company has 5 working days to deliver the fuel with a host of caveats including acts of god, and transport breakdown exclusion. Fuel delivery is via PEMEX authorized distributors.
The company is 101% bureaucratic administration. I inquired as to a guarantee of fuel QUANTITY verification and QUALITY (purity) assurance. That falls 100% under the responsibility of of the DELIVERY and TRANSPORTATION franquicia. No trucks are owned by PEMEX. Even the tanker ships are franquicias. Sometimes the delivery franquicias cheat and use non approved subcontractors. Sue me. This is Mexico and many primary transport contractors are very wealthy and vindictive.
When fuel barged from Topolobampo to Pichiligue BCS proved to be destructively contaminated diesel (with gasoline) the transport franquicia declared bankruptcy. The company and the transport tankers were ruled non indemtifyable.
I went through months of learning two thousand pages of "ropes" about becoming a franquicia dealer.
If and when PEMEX decides to have UBA signage posted at it's franquicias, the signage will be posted at the expense and responsibility of the of the franquicia owner. PEMEX makes available the logistics of obtaining the signage. Usually only black plastic diesel signage needs to be changed. I have no idea how much that would cost each franquicia.
The extreme costs associated with a gasolinera meeting all the regulations is what encouraged many owners to deliver short liters. This is not a defense of their actions, but it is the explanation they give when challenged.
Few times, reality in Mexico meets what we imagine it to be. In the end, dreams of owning a franquicia in Chucutian evaporated like the morning mist. The financial backer from Morelia was horrified when I explained the intricacies of the Pemex bureaucracy. He expected the gasolinera to cost under five million pesos in 2006. It penciled out at over eight million pesos then came the pre-payment of forty thousand liters of comistible. And this did not include the land!
Yes, PEMEX made so many public announcements in the press. Let is see how long it takes for the UBA signage to appear.
By the way I would love to see news of any of this in any one of major Mexican newspapers or public online Pemex news account. I have yet to have more than a brief chat with any of the extraneous origin gasolineras (British Petroleum) and that owner told me PEMEX controls every last period and comma in those franquicia agreements but the regulations are not as strict as a Pemex gasolinera. Extent unknown to me. Frankly after unburying myself of twenty pounds of bound regulations in Michoacan the bloom fell from the rose. That and the gentleman from Morelia along with his family were killed in a head on crash between Las Peñas and Alcapican in late 2010.
SEMPRA energy was rejected as a contender to constructing port facilities in Lazaro Cardenas, Michoacan or Salina Cruz, Oaxaca. SEMPRA is a major entity in constructing port storage and handling facilities of Chevron petroleum products. In effect Rosarito / El Sauzal B.C. and Tobolbampo Sinaloa. That area has zero extraneous gaolineras, the meaning of which is unclear.
Take a copy of this repsonse to Antonio Muñoz, who speaks superb English, in El Rosario, Baja California. He is the owner of a franquicia. He is quite friendly and utterly honest (litros completos) Let HIM judge the accuracy of what I have written.
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Wm.Elliot
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Thanks for all your work, Ed!
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MEXICOWANDERER
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Agreed. Kudos and a special
Que le vaya bien
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Tequila
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I should menetion that ULSD diesel if ID'ed is usually marked DUBA, not UBA. UBA is often used to describe gasoline.
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Ed White
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That's correct Tequila. Drivers who have sent me their travel reports have mostly mentioned stand-alone signs indicating that there is UBA Diesel (Ultra Baja Azufre) available, but Pemex would indeed normally call it DUBA.
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