JaxDad wrote:
As far as campgrounds prohibiting uncertified units, just as an example because I stay there pretty regularly, Jetty Park at Port Canaveral clearly list amongst their Rules & Restrictions the following;
"RV Camping: Maximum stay 168 nights. Camping vehicles must be RVIA (Recreation Vehicle Industry Association) approved with a visible RVIA symbol. Sleeping in a car, van, or other non-recognized RVIA vehicle is not considered camping and is prohibited."
As far as campgrounds prohibiting uncertified units, just as an example because I stay there pretty regularly, Jetty Park at Port Canaveral clearly list amongst their Rules & Restrictions the following;
"RV Camping: Maximum stay 168 nights. Camping vehicles must be RVIA (Recreation Vehicle Industry Association) approved with a visible RVIA symbol. Sleeping in a car, van, or other non-recognized RVIA vehicle is not considered camping and is prohibited."
Whew! It's a good thing we live so close to Jetty Park that we don't have to spend the night ;-) It's a truly wonderful place; and I heard it really took a beating from Irma :-( That kind of scares me because I know developers are lusting for that piece of property.....
MrWizard wrote:
would classify that as
military base ?
definitely a Gov installation
in the beginning you made a broad sweeping statement about campgounds being required aka law
that vehicles in there for camping in, be RVIA certified aka Badged
the (2) examples you have posted are very specific
first one a Zoning ordinance , for operating a CG in that city
the second a government property
yes these places exist
BUT it is not the law for every camping place in the country
would classify that as
military base ?
definitely a Gov installation
in the beginning you made a broad sweeping statement about campgounds being required aka law
that vehicles in there for camping in, be RVIA certified aka Badged
the (2) examples you have posted are very specific
first one a Zoning ordinance , for operating a CG in that city
the second a government property
yes these places exist
BUT it is not the law for every camping place in the country
JaxDad wrote:
The statutes aren't worded such that "RV's must have an RVIA seal", what they do say is that any structure intended for human occupation must meet certain life safety standards.
The statutes aren't worded such that "RV's must have an RVIA seal", what they do say is that any structure intended for human occupation must meet certain life safety standards.
It was only the first sentence of my post, so I can see how you may have missed it.
Port Canaveral is NOT part of the Federal lands or AFB, it is however public land administered by the Port Canaveral Commission. That is a County level group. That is also likely why they are such sticklers for the letter of the law.
Life safety standards are not something that is spotty here and there, they are nationwide the minimum performance standards. In the case of a house or apartment building or condominium it is a condition of getting a building permit, but obviously with a highly mobile RV The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with. The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with
JaxDad wrote:
they are nationwide the minimum performance standards. ...obviously with a highly mobile RV The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with. The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance.
Formal citation needed. Seriously.
they are nationwide the minimum performance standards. ...obviously with a highly mobile RV The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with. The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance.
mike-s wrote:
JaxDad wrote:
they are nationwide the minimum performance standards. ...obviously with a highly mobile RV The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with. The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance.
Formal citation needed. Seriously.they are nationwide the minimum performance standards. ...obviously with a highly mobile RV The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with. The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance.
Do you need a 'formal citation' as to why it's legally required that there's a fancy little plate inside the drivers door of your TV saying it complies with the FMVSS?
Seriously.
JaxDad wrote:
Do you need a 'formal citation' as to why it's legally required that there's a fancy little plate inside the drivers door of your TV saying it complies with the FMVSS?
Seriously.
I can do that. mike-s wrote:
JaxDad wrote:
they are nationwide the minimum performance standards. ...obviously with a highly mobile RV The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with. The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance.
Formal citation needed. Seriously.they are nationwide the minimum performance standards. ...obviously with a highly mobile RV The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance. There is no "City Hall" for RVs where you can check the building permit was complied with. The certification must be posted on the vehicle to ensure compliance.
Do you need a 'formal citation' as to why it's legally required that there's a fancy little plate inside the drivers door of your TV saying it complies with the FMVSS?
Seriously.
49 CFR 567.4, which also covers requirement for the label on the front "street side" of a TT. And for good measure, here's the tire placard requirement -
49 CFR 571.110, S4.3.5
It took me 15 minutes. Your turn.
Clock's ticking.
mike-s wrote:
Oh, and since it says you're in Canada, you can even cite national CA law.
Clock's ticking.
Oh, and since it says you're in Canada, you can even cite national CA law.
Clock's ticking.
LOL. No, life safety is a State / Provincial matter, unlike vehicle safety, both in Canada (CMVSS) and the US (FMVSS).
But I'm glad you at least understand universally required life safety items.
JaxDad wrote:
LOL. No, life safety is a State / Provincial matter, unlike vehicle safety, both in Canada (CMVSS) and the US (FMVSS).
But I'm glad you at least understand universally required life safety items.
Oh, so you were just making things up when you claimed "...they are nationwide the minimum performance standards."mike-s wrote:
Oh, and since it says you're in Canada, you can even cite national CA law.
Clock's ticking.
Oh, and since it says you're in Canada, you can even cite national CA law.
Clock's ticking.
LOL. No, life safety is a State / Provincial matter, unlike vehicle safety, both in Canada (CMVSS) and the US (FMVSS).
But I'm glad you at least understand universally required life safety items.
And, you're unable to support any of your other made up claims with facts, which isn't surprising.
mike-s wrote:
And, you're unable to support any of your other made up claims with facts, which isn't surprising.
JaxDad wrote:
LOL. No, life safety is a State / Provincial matter, unlike vehicle safety, both in Canada (CMVSS) and the US (FMVSS).
But I'm glad you at least understand universally required life safety items.
Oh, so you were just making things up when you claimed "...they are nationwide the minimum performance standards."mike-s wrote:
Oh, and since it says you're in Canada, you can even cite national CA law.
Clock's ticking.
Oh, and since it says you're in Canada, you can even cite national CA law.
Clock's ticking.
LOL. No, life safety is a State / Provincial matter, unlike vehicle safety, both in Canada (CMVSS) and the US (FMVSS).
But I'm glad you at least understand universally required life safety items.
And, you're unable to support any of your other made up claims with facts, which isn't surprising.
No, not in the slightest, LOL.
Just because all 50 States have adopted the same code standards it doesn't mean it is not a national standard does it?
There's this new thing, they call it "Google", by typing "State Code NFPA 1192"" I found a handful of examples in just a moment;
Nebraska Clicky
Washington Clicky
California Clicky
Oregon Clicky
Do you need the other 46 examples too?
I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept, each State has responsibility for issuing building permits and enforcing the need to have one, yet the National Building, Electric and Plumbing Codes are the cited standards that must be met.
This best summed up by the following quote from the website of an engineering company that does those certifications;
" Currently in the United States, the requirement for a Compliance/Certification label on an RV is recognized in all fifty States and the District of Columbia. Additionally, there are certain States that maintain their own oversight programs and issue a required State-specific Certification Label.
The Certification Label is a statement from the manufacturer or oversight authority that the product is manufactured to the applicable codes and standards. Those standards are the NFPA 1192 2015 Edition, (Recreational Vehicles) the ANSI A119.5 2009 Edition, (Park Models/Tiny Homes), and the National electrical Code Sections 551 and 552 respectively. This certification label can be sourced from any one of several Certified Agencies such as PWA, or an Industry Association. The Industry Association label is administered to their members as a requirement of membership, however, there are many manufacturers that are not members of an Industry Association and as such, they source certification labels from one of the other recognized Certification Agencies."
It can be found here. Clicky
Washington is similar to Nebraska, and even requires a plant inspection. An RVIA seal means nothing.
California requires manufacturers to place a label stating code compliance, no mention of RVIA seals. Since RVIA expects manufacturers to self-certify, an RVIA seal is a waste of money, a manufacturer could simply print their own.
Oregon just says they must be built to codes. An RVIA seal means nothing.
It seems that you, unable to support your claim, are moving the goalposts.
Regarding the "50 states" thing. Instead of cherry-picking a few states, Point to Michigan and Indiana code which requires a sticker.
* This post was edited 09/28/17 08:40am by mike-s *