JaxDad wrote:
That's an unfounded, and frankly, silly statement. As a legal oversight body the RVIA perform routine audits and spot inspections to ensure that the standards, both ANSI and NFPA, are being met.
You're funny, and obviously new around here, where stories abound of shoddy electrical work which wouldn't pass muster in a third-world country.mike-s wrote:
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LOL. Manufacturers pay for a sticker, and pass the cost on with a profit. There's no real oversight, and absolutely nothing to "demonstrate" that they meet any standard.
JaxDad wrote:
the RVIA standard is the 'catch all' certification that demonstrates that the RV meets those standards.
the RVIA standard is the 'catch all' certification that demonstrates that the RV meets those standards.
LOL. Manufacturers pay for a sticker, and pass the cost on with a profit. There's no real oversight, and absolutely nothing to "demonstrate" that they meet any standard.That's an unfounded, and frankly, silly statement. As a legal oversight body the RVIA perform routine audits and spot inspections to ensure that the standards, both ANSI and NFPA, are being met.
RVIA is not any sort of "legal oversight body," they're a private industry trade association with voluntary membership. Manufacturers self-certify compliance, and whatever rare audits and inspections might possibly happen, they're obviously ineffective.
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I have been traveling in a homebrew camper van for several years. I don't have an RVIA sticker, and no one has ever mentioned it. I would not know those stickers even existed, if not for this forum.
I have only once been told 'no', and that was over the phone. They did not ask about a sticker.
What I do is call ahead and describe my rig. I don't like to waste my time or theirs, or put people on the spot. Other than that one time, they always say it is just fine.
My rig is clean and in good shape, but it just looks like something someone would use for grocery shopping, not like an RV.
I do prefer low end parks, and I am sure that is a factor. I would not expect an upscale resort to want me, just like I do not want them
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. But we might put up with each other for one night, if it was their slow season and I really needed a place!Gov campgrounds, are, of course, a different deal. They are focused on making the outdoors accessible to everyone, so anything goes.
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So far, I've had good luck with RV parks. A class "B" that is in decent condition seems to be accepted almost everywhere.
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In many areas the zoning restrictions actually recite the requirement for all vehicles the c/g rents to be compliant.
In many areas the zoning restrictions actually recite the requirement for all vehicles the c/g rents to be compliant.
Zoning restriction aka Local Municipality
interesting.. now clarify
"all vehicles the c/g rents," too you ?
or
all vehicles the c/g rents to" aka rents space too ?
it seems the way it is worded in your statement, it is vehicles aka campers that the c/g rents to visitors, aka rental lodging the c/g owns
all of this banter is word play
yes Rv's should be safe
do you think everybody should be required/compelled to get their RV electrical and LP systems safety checked every XX years ?
that all DIY should be required to have their camping vehicle certified before they can take it camping ?
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Naio wrote:
What I do is call ahead and describe my rig. I don't like to waste my time or theirs, or put people on the spot. Other than that one time, they always say it is just fine.
My rig is clean and in good shape, but it just looks like something someone would use for grocery shopping, not like an RV.
I do prefer low end parks, and I am sure that is a factor.
What I do is call ahead and describe my rig. I don't like to waste my time or theirs, or put people on the spot. Other than that one time, they always say it is just fine.
My rig is clean and in good shape, but it just looks like something someone would use for grocery shopping, not like an RV.
I do prefer low end parks, and I am sure that is a factor.
Hi Naio!
This is how we are, too - just give a spot to park overnight, let us take a shower, and we'll be gone in the morning. Give us a tent space if that's OK - we're not fussy.
But as I posted on another forum: I really LIKE RV parks! Our experience is that 85% of park staff/owners are friendly, helpful, and want you to have a good experience. They are the ones who know the hidden gems in the area - the great restaurants, the scenic-but-hidden places, the fun little festivals. Another 10% are simply to busy to sit and chat. I'm assuming 5% are kind of cranky but I've never met anyone like that. Yet.
So it's good to know we shouldn't expect too many problem with our stealth camper. Maybe I should refer to it as a steel tent ;-) A Class B-minus. Oooh - a "Transit Travelwagon"
That being said, I have never been checked for the sicker in 20 years, Westernrvpark is the first person ever to say he wouldn't let someone in because of that sticker, humm.
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mowermech wrote:
I'm still waiting to see the actual STATUTE that says RV parks or campgrounds may/must not rent a space to any homebuilt RV that does not have an RVIA or equivalent certification.
I'm still waiting to see the actual STATUTE that says RV parks or campgrounds may/must not rent a space to any homebuilt RV that does not have an RVIA or equivalent certification.
The statutes aren't worded such that "RV's must have an RVIA seal", what they do say is that any structure intended for human occupation must meet certain life safety standards. Obviously if a person wants to sleep in a garden shed in their backyard there's little that can be done. But if you want to sell it, or move it to someone else's property or rent it out where there could be a presumption of responsibility of that third party, then the law is there to protect people with minimum standards.
BTW, the RVIA seal is just there as a catch-all to show that it meets several related standards established by NFPA and or ANSI.
As far as campgrounds prohibiting uncertified units, just as an example because I stay there pretty regularly, Jetty Park at Port Canaveral clearly list amongst their Rules & Restrictions the following;
"RV Camping: Maximum stay 168 nights. Camping vehicles must be RVIA (Recreation Vehicle Industry Association) approved with a visible RVIA symbol. Sleeping in a car, van, or other non-recognized RVIA vehicle is not considered camping and is prohibited."
Jetty Park Campground at Port Canaveral.
The reason nobody gets asked is it's one of those things that's mandatory and therefore not thought of or asked about. Nobody buys a new car and gets asked to take a picture of the FMVSS certification plate by their insurance company because every new Ford, GM or whatever IS built to that standard. Ditto when you are dealing with your RV, when you put 2017 Newmar on the form they KNOW it's certified. The problem comes up when you put down "2016 Fred built it."
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definitely a Gov installation
in the beginning you made a broad sweeping statement about campgounds being required aka law
that vehicles in there for camping in, be RVIA certified aka Badged
the (2) examples you have posted are very specific
first one a Zoning ordinance , for operating a CG in that city
the second a government property
yes these places exist
BUT it is not the law for every camping place in the country
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