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Sjm9911 wrote:The problems are going to be how you get the electricity. Allready California had to reverse closing coal fired power plants. Thats because they could not provide enough electricity at night during there most recent heat wave. Add in all new electric vehicles over there and i think they will have a mess. You have to sort out the supply and demand first. Coal is all but shut down in CA. There is no reopening of coal fired plants.
There has never been an issue of overnight electric capacity in CA. The issue of inadequate supply has happened in the late evening when solar is decreasing, natural gas plants are ramping up unable to keep up with air conditioning. Typically this crunch comes between 7pm and 9pm during statewide heatwaves.
The most recent power curtailment due to supply was an evening when wind power was lower than usual and a natural gas plant went off line unexpectedly. This brought rotating one hour cut in power to some residents. These outages did not continue through the night.
However there are more outages during heat waves due to local distribution equipment failures. Many of these repairs to upgrade the system lasted several days during the heat wave. Workers were brought in from out of state to help with the workload.
Here is the real time supply data: (note very little coal)
http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.html
Even on a mild day like today there are 50+ outages affecting several thousand people just in SoCal Edison territory. Not for lack of electricity.
https://www.sce.com/outage-center/check-outage-status
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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:Reisender wrote:Sjm9911 wrote:The problems are going to be how you get the electricity. Allready California had to reverse closing coal fired power plants. Thats because they could not provide enough electricity at night during there most recent heat wave. Add in all new electric vehicles over there and i think they will have a mess. You have to sort out the supply and demand first.
Yah could be. I’m not up on this issue and it’s not an issue in our province. But this is being addressed all over the world so it’s obviously a solvable problem. Electric vehicles will add about 1 percent additional load per year over the next couple of decades. Most modern nations will figure it out.
And if those power hungry and polluting manufacturers move to Texas as they threaten to do, then CA will be on it's way to energy independence. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
Seriously, new homes are already required to have solar panels on their roofs. Buildings have either solar arrays and solar panels on their roofs. And then, there are aggressive building of cancer-causing wind turbines along their windy mountain corridors.
Stanford says, the states will be able to do it.
Yah. For sure. And a typical North American commute uses 6 - 8 kw. Doesn’t take much solar to produce that.
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Reisender wrote:Sjm9911 wrote:The problems are going to be how you get the electricity. Allready California had to reverse closing coal fired power plants. Thats because they could not provide enough electricity at night during there most recent heat wave. Add in all new electric vehicles over there and i think they will have a mess. You have to sort out the supply and demand first.
Yah could be. I’m not up on this issue and it’s not an issue in our province. But this is being addressed all over the world so it’s obviously a solvable problem. Electric vehicles will add about 1 percent additional load per year over the next couple of decades. Most modern nations will figure it out.
And if those power hungry and polluting manufacturers move to Texas as they threaten to do, then CA will be on it's way to energy independence.
Seriously, new homes are already required to have solar panels on their roofs. Buildings have either solar arrays and solar panels on their roofs. And then, there are aggressive building of cancer-causing wind turbines along their windy mountain corridors.
Stanford says, the states will be able to do it.
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Sjm9911 wrote:The problems are going to be how you get the electricity. Allready California had to reverse closing coal fired power plants. Thats because they could not provide enough electricity at night during there most recent heat wave. Add in all new electric vehicles over there and i think they will have a mess. You have to sort out the supply and demand first.
Yah could be. I’m not up on this issue and it’s not an issue in our province. But this is being addressed all over the world so it’s obviously a solvable problem. Electric vehicles will add about 1 percent additional load per year over the next couple of decades. Most modern nations will figure it out.
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The problems are going to be how you get the electricity. Allready California had to reverse closing coal fired power plants. Thats because they could not provide enough electricity at night during there most recent heat wave. Add in all new electric vehicles over there and i think they will have a mess. You have to sort out the supply and demand first.
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time2roll wrote:I will be amazed if California can go clean on this and not provide exemptions.
CA I read sometime ago was ahead of their goal. They are in fact one of the co-leaders like they are a country and not just one of the states in the US.
But that was pre-Covid. I don't know the latest.
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I will be amazed if California can go clean on this and not provide exemptions.
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Reisender wrote:Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Heard the GM CEO at CNBC yesterday. Seems to me it's all promises -- even on their battery technology when everyone else, including. the Chinese, have already way way out there.
Yeah, I love the competition but I'm not betting any money on someone playing catch up.
Well, it would be nice if they and others got serious soon though. There are a half dozen articles out there on how fast the market is going to change in the world in the next 10 to 20 years. The forecasts for stranded assets for certain companies are alarming. There will be winners and loser of course.
Here is a list but there are a half dozen others that are not on it and some are already moving there numbers up. Norway has changed theirs to 2025 recently. Britain went from 2040 to 2035 to 2030 in two years. They also went from 45 percent coal to 3 percent coal in 20 years. Coal will be phased out by 2022. Energy markets are changing fast as well.
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For those who are young, this will be a good portfolio investment theme over the long haul.
Analyts are still speculating on oil, for short-term trade, but seems majority concluded it. will. be in a decline, quick or slowly, not if but when.
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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Heard the GM CEO at CNBC yesterday. Seems to me it's all promises -- even on their battery technology when everyone else, including. the Chinese, have already way way out there.
Yeah, I love the competition but I'm not betting any money on someone playing catch up.
Well, it would be nice if they and others got serious soon though. There are a half dozen articles out there on how fast the market is going to change in the world in the next 10 to 20 years. The forecasts for stranded assets for certain companies are alarming. There will be winners and loser of course.
Here is a list but there are a half dozen others that are not on it and some are already moving there numbers up. Norway has changed theirs to 2025 recently. Britain went from 2040 to 2035 to 2030 in two years. They also went from 45 percent coal to 3 percent coal in 20 years. Coal will be phased out by 2022. Energy markets are changing fast as well.
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Heard the GM CEO at CNBC yesterday. Seems to me it's all promises -- even on their battery technology when everyone else, including. the Chinese, have already way way out there.
Yeah, I love the competition but I'm not betting any money on someone playing catch up.
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