Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
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Groover wrote:
Did you mean 100 sq miles or 100 miles square? From what I can find even the second number is conservative.
Square miles of solar panels needed.
Are the environmentalists going to give you a pass on that? What about the transmission lines?
What are you going to do with the solar panels in 30 years when the tens of millions of tons of solar panels lose too much efficiency to be practical to operate?
How much storage is needed and what is the environmental impact of that?
What would the damage be from one EMP bomb?
I am not saying that it can't be done, just that there are issues that will need to be addressed at some point. And some around the clock energy not dependent on the sun sure could come in handy.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Let's call on Elon's dare to provide him with 100 square miles of open space to put his solar panels and he'll electrify the whole country -- and end the debate. Or shut up the skepticism when he did this to a city in Australia where Musk won the bet..
Let's call on Elon's dare to provide him with 100 square miles of open space to put his solar panels and he'll electrify the whole country -- and end the debate. Or shut up the skepticism when he did this to a city in Australia where Musk won the bet..
Did you mean 100 sq miles or 100 miles square? From what I can find even the second number is conservative.
Square miles of solar panels needed.
Are the environmentalists going to give you a pass on that? What about the transmission lines?
What are you going to do with the solar panels in 30 years when the tens of millions of tons of solar panels lose too much efficiency to be practical to operate?
How much storage is needed and what is the environmental impact of that?
What would the damage be from one EMP bomb?
I am not saying that it can't be done, just that there are issues that will need to be addressed at some point. And some around the clock energy not dependent on the sun sure could come in handy.
I am a kind of solver of one problem at a time -- and sweat so much in finding problems in every solution, real or imagined.
Well, recycling is key with anything going forward. Including solar panels. But although utilities might not want to use 30 year old solar panels they are far from end of useful life. There is lots of good googleable info out there about this. Real world numbers of 75 years plus are being used in the projected life cycle of solar panels. Interesting stuff.
* This post was edited 11/24/20 12:00pm by Reisender *
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Sjm9911 wrote:
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
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Reisender wrote:
Well, recycling is key with anything going forward. Including solar panels. But although utilities might not want to use 30 year old solar panels they are far from end of useful life. There is lots of good googleable info out there about this. Real world numbers of 75 years plus are being used in the projected life cycle of solar panels. Interesting stuff.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
I am a kind of solver of one problem at a time -- and sweat so much in finding problems in every solution, real or imagined.
Groover wrote:
Did you mean 100 sq miles or 100 miles square? From what I can find even the second number is conservative.
Square miles of solar panels needed.
Are the environmentalists going to give you a pass on that? What about the transmission lines?
What are you going to do with the solar panels in 30 years when the tens of millions of tons of solar panels lose too much efficiency to be practical to operate?
How much storage is needed and what is the environmental impact of that?
What would the damage be from one EMP bomb?
I am not saying that it can't be done, just that there are issues that will need to be addressed at some point. And some around the clock energy not dependent on the sun sure could come in handy.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Let's call on Elon's dare to provide him with 100 square miles of open space to put his solar panels and he'll electrify the whole country -- and end the debate. Or shut up the skepticism when he did this to a city in Australia where Musk won the bet..
Let's call on Elon's dare to provide him with 100 square miles of open space to put his solar panels and he'll electrify the whole country -- and end the debate. Or shut up the skepticism when he did this to a city in Australia where Musk won the bet..
Did you mean 100 sq miles or 100 miles square? From what I can find even the second number is conservative.
Square miles of solar panels needed.
Are the environmentalists going to give you a pass on that? What about the transmission lines?
What are you going to do with the solar panels in 30 years when the tens of millions of tons of solar panels lose too much efficiency to be practical to operate?
How much storage is needed and what is the environmental impact of that?
What would the damage be from one EMP bomb?
I am not saying that it can't be done, just that there are issues that will need to be addressed at some point. And some around the clock energy not dependent on the sun sure could come in handy.
I am a kind of solver of one problem at a time -- and sweat so much in finding problems in every solution, real or imagined.
Well, recycling is key with anything going forward. Including solar panels. But although utilities might not want to use 30 year old solar panels they are far from end of useful life. There is lots of good googleable info out there about this. Real world numbers of 75 years plus are being used in the projected life cycle of solar panels. Interesting stuff.
And my million mile battery on Cybertruck will outlive me even if I plan to go around the country, up North and down South beyond the borders pulling my. RV.
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Sjm9911 wrote:
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Sjm9911 wrote:
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
And I forgot, I also the kind of person who won't tell anyone where to spend their money on or giving unsolicited advice on what truck they buy.
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Sjm9911 wrote:
So if its the same , why bother?
Because there is an incremental improvement in all areas at lower cost.
So if its the same , why bother?
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Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
And I forgot, I also the kind of person who won't tell anyone where to spend their money on or giving unsolicited advice on what truck they buy.
Sjm9911 wrote:
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Sjm9911 wrote:
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
And I forgot, I also the kind of person who won't tell anyone where to spend their money on or giving unsolicited advice on what truck they buy.
What does that even mean? I never told you what to buy or where to spend your money. I really dont care. I said tesla builds stuff fast and cheaply that causes problems with the end product.
Looks like the 500 mile version will be rated at up to 621 miles. YMMV
https://electrek.co/2020/11/24/tesla-sem........lectric-truck-621-miles-range-elon-musk/
Sjm9911 wrote:
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Sjm9911 wrote:
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
Meh. We haven’t seen that. Tesla owners can’t be quite critical of their cars. Having said that we don’t personally know another Tesla owner that has had a problem with their car. Then again, we don’t know a lot of Tesla owners.
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. LOL. Ours has been trouble free...so far. .
Sjm9911 wrote:
I said tesla builds stuff fast....
Yes the Teslas are fast. Have you driven an EV yet?I said tesla builds stuff fast....
There is a big difference between book smart and actual experience.
(sorry the quote is a bit out of context
)
Sjm9911 wrote:
What does that even mean? I never told you what to buy or where to spend your money. I really dont care. I said tesla builds stuff fast and cheaply that causes problems with the end product.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
And I forgot, I also the kind of person who won't tell anyone where to spend their money on or giving unsolicited advice on what truck they buy.
Sjm9911 wrote:
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Sjm9911 wrote:
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
I think he has to atuall perfect something first. His solar roofs catch fire, and some of his cars are rated like dead last for imperfections. He does have a great outlook on stuff. But the cost to make it cheap and affordable is creating a inferior produt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/05/tesla-and-walmart-settle-over-solar-rooftop-fires.html you can google for houses also. I can find the car
Then you need batteries to hold the power, i know tesla has them in prodution. But what happens when they catch fire, or leak etc. Idk. I would need to resurch the last one more.
You should talk and convince the current Tesla owners on the imperfections.
Most if not all of them will get another Tesla for a replacement or Tesla for an upgrade.
Thats akin to talking people out of a cult. Lol. Just because people like them dosen't mean they dont have problems. There is a diffrence. Peole buy them because they are smitten with tesla and the ideal behind it.
And I forgot, I also the kind of person who won't tell anyone where to spend their money on or giving unsolicited advice on what truck they buy.
What does that even mean? I never told you what to buy or where to spend your money. I really dont care. I said tesla builds stuff fast and cheaply that causes problems with the end product.
In cause you missed it, I was not talking about you -- it's me.