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The next area was on the passenger's side, indicated above by the red square.
This is where the generator was, that I removed. Since the genny is not going back into that same spot, I decided that I needed some steel floor joists, in order to have some support for the floor, that is going to installed back there.
In the pic below, you can see the new pieces of steel that I added, indicated by the red arrows. This area will be used for something else, so I need flooring there.
![[image]](http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/steelwheregennywas1.jpg)
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Jim@HiTek
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Remember to leave an open section under the driver so you can use your feet to get the rig moving...ala Fred Flintstone. I for one would like to see that...
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fulltimin
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Jim@HiTek wrote:Remember to leave an open section under the driver so you can use your feet to get the rig moving...ala Fred Flintstone. I for one would like to see that...
Yea, my legs are not that long.........Lol.....
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Fulltimin, I just read through this entire thing and you scare the heck out of me! Why? Because I have a 91'Southwind I'm restoring with a "soft wall" by the passenger seat, by the dinette and in the bathroom and several delams on the outside! YIKES! I've just finished the mechanicals and contemplating the inside, and I convinced my wife it was a piece of cake after her begging me to set it on fire! I'm inspired and daunted by your work. Keep it up so I won't loose faith! LOL!
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fulltimin
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Shacklaw wrote:Fulltimin, I just read through this entire thing and you scare the heck out of me! Why? Because I have a 91'Southwind I'm restoring with a "soft wall" by the passenger seat, by the dinette and in the bathroom and several delams on the outside! YIKES! I've just finished the mechanicals and contemplating the inside, and I convinced my wife it was a piece of cake after her begging me to set it on fire! I'm inspired and daunted by your work. Keep it up so I won't loose faith! LOL!
I feel your pain.... The rv manufacturers have used the wall gluing system for years. It does provide a fairly stiff sidewall, without a huge amount of weight. Add a few steel studs in there, and you have a decent wall, assuming you don't roll it over...
So, I would assume your sidewalls are assembled the same way mine are. As such, as you saw in earlier pictures, the outside delamination is because the outside plywood got soaked, and disintegrated. Fleetwood did not use exterior plywood, so the glue just gave up the ghost.
The interior paneling, is basically the same, got wet and started to fall apart. So much for me thinking I can just replace a couple of sheets of paneling, and I am good to go....LOL.
The thing that surprised me the most, was that some of the leaks were not evident, or visible.
I have seen videos of guys that just removed a window, pulled the fiberglass out a little, and shot epoxy down in there, applied pressure from the outside, and left it harden, and called it fixed.
If it's a small area, I suppose that might work, if the leak has been repaired first, and the area dried out first.
If it's a large area, I'm not sure that is a great idea, but to each his own.
In our case, my wife and I decided before I started this project, that the inside should be upgraded, and look a little more homey...(not homely)... homey - more like a home.
Little did I realize what I was actually getting into. LOL.
However, rv's are available anywhere, but having one that looks more like a home inside, is something special, built to suit the owner. There are pictures of rv's around, that were upgraded, sometimes with just paint, wallpaper, cabinet doors, kitchen back splash, etc, and completely changed the interior looks. So much so, that it looked like a small cabin in the woods, not an rv, from the inside.
One of the things, (not the only one), that I am pressuring myself to do, is this....The shower is in use, less than 1/2 hr per day. As such, that is basically wasted space, the other 23.5 hours of the day.
So, why not put that space to work doing something else, something that is usable during the day, and easily movable for those few minutes, when we need a shower. Once that is over, let's go back to using that space for what we really need.
Perhaps your wife needs to see what "can be", instead of "what is".
A little like restoring an antique car, that has a lot of rust and doesn't run. It's not going to stay that way.
Keep us updated on your progress...and thank you.
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fulltimin wrote:
I feel your pain.... The rv manufacturers have used the wall gluing system for years. It does provide a fairly stiff sidewall, without a huge amount of weight. ..
That's one of the many things I like about a Newmar, it is not built this way.
Newmar, Monaco/Holiday Rambler, Travel Supreme/Entegra all use hung wall construction. It's not laminated, therefore it cannot delaminate.
We've owned a MH with delamination and I've worked on both MHs and TTs with delamination. I like hung wall much better.
In you case, when you're done it seems like you're going to have a combination of lamination and hung wall.
There are 24 hours in every day - it all depends on how you choose to use them.
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fulltimin
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Bruce Brown wrote:
In you case, when you're done it seems like you're going to have a combination of lamination and hung wall.
At the moment, there is nothing left that's laminated.....LOL...
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Here is something I have been wanting to post for a while, and now seems like as good a time as any.
This first pic is one where I glued 4 pieces of blue board insulation together with gorilla glue. They are roughly 3 feet long and 6 inches wide, and 1.5 inches thick, so we had 6 inches thickness total. I was curious as to how much weight they would support.
They were supported on each end, and the supports were about 30 inches apart. The moment I stepped on them, boom - straight to the floor. I didn't even get all my weight on them.
This pic does not show that - forgot to take a pic, but afterwards, I glued them back together in the middle where they had broken. That you can see inside the red rectangle.
More to come in the next couple of pics and posts.
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So, after gluing those 4 pieces back together, I glued 1/8 inch plywood to the top and bottom of the assembly. So, we are back to about a 6 x 6 inch stack of blue board insulation, sandwiched between 2 thin pieces of plywood, again supported about 30 inches apart.
This was only cheap stuff from one of the box stores, and nothing special. Just a piece I had laying around.
I stepped on it, and nothing happened. Oh, it bowed very slightly in the center, but not much. So, the plywood sandwich made a huge difference.
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So, I thought, hey, what happens if I take only 2 pieces of blue board, 1.5 inches thick and glue them together?
Well, lets find out. So, I glued them together, again with gorilla glue, and then went to Home Depot, and bought a piece of 2.7mm plywood. That stuff is less than 1/8 inch thick, about .100 of an inch thick, instead of .128.
Next step, (pun intended), is to support them about 30 inches apart, and see what happens.
You guessed it - nothing but a little more bow in the center. So, now we have a 3 x 6 x 30 inch sandwich, which didn't break when I stepped on it.
![[image]](http://paddleupstream.com/mohorebuild/steponinsulation2.jpg)
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