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Posted: 03/03/17 06:57pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

travelnutz wrote:

So obvious that both Ram and Ford are incredibly happy that the GM Duramax truck doesn't offer a 4.10 rear ratio because the gap would be a heck of a lot more than 15 seconds. Maybe even a whole minute + as so much more torque (another 10%) would be delivered to the drive wheels that turns them. Educated people know that it's TORQUE and only TORQUE that turns the drive wheels to the RPM desired or wanted. Higher rotation of the drive wheels means faster velocity of the vehicle as the drive wheel OD's are basically equal on all 3 trucks.

Rear ratios: 4.10 / 3.73 = 1.1 or 10% more torque delivered to the drive wheels. Maybe a little difficult for some of you to comprehend, but try!

Also obvious that GM has no need to offer a 4.10 as it already delivers more rotational force to the drive wheels of it's truck than either Ford or Ram.

Let the uninformed begin their BS rambling now! Just show clearly how much you don't really know or understand!


Read the article that me again posted and maybe you will come to realize that you haven't got a clue .


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Most people on here are not even towing close to 23,000 lbs so who cares ? Pick the one you like and go with it for crying out load. They all have good and bad points and everyone has a personal preference. Who cares what brand truck it is ? If you hook it up to tour camper and get where you are going and back that is all that matters. It isn't a race to the campground. If one brand fits your needs better than that is the correct choice. You can't go wrong with either one. Neither is better than the other, but they are different. I have always been a Gm guy, but I would have no problem driving either with the exception of the cost.


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Posted: 03/03/17 07:56pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Me Again,

DUH! HP is merely a theoretical calculation moniker derived from how fast the TORQUE applied to the drive wheels rotates them thus creating measurable RPM. HP is NOT a direct measurable value! Zero torque = Zero RPM and thus Zero HP could even be calculated. Even 1000 lbs feet torque with zero RPM = zero HP. There is Zero RPM if there's insufficient TORQUE to rotate the wheels. HP is merely a theoretical value calculation, not a measured value!

A "horse" does not have a given pulling or rotational strength value as there are vast differences is sizes and pulling strengths of all the various horses. A given size horse's pulling strength can be actually measured but which horse?

The more FORCE (TORQUE) one applies to wheel shaft, the more RPM's it will turn! No where is the word HP used or even involved to make the wheel turn to any RPM's!

TORQUE and RPM are measurable but NOT HP as it's only a theoretical calculation!

* This post was edited 03/03/17 08:04pm by travelnutz *


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Posted: 03/03/17 08:46pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

IdaD wrote:

I haven't watched the video but were these guys running at wide open throttle or were they holding back to stay within the speed limit? If the latter is the case this is meaningless. If the former is the case this is still meaningless because the fastest one is only 15 seconds quicker than the slowest one. Power isn't really a distinguishing quality with these newer diesel trucks and that's been the case for awhile.


I haven't watched the video yet either, but I am pretty sure that it takes 8 minutes to run up at the 60 MPH speed limit.


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SouthpawHD wrote:

JustLabs wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Thanks for posting


That's all you are going to say????



Any reason for this post, other than to bait someone into an argument?

And you don't consider yourself a troll...lol


You hit the nail on the head! Even after warnings, it doesn't stop with these two.


I'll second that

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Posted: 03/03/17 09:49pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

travelnutz wrote:

Me Again,

DUH! HP is merely a theoretical calculation moniker derived from how fast the TORQUE applied to the drive wheels rotates them thus creating measurable RPM. HP is NOT a direct measurable value! Zero torque = Zero RPM and thus Zero HP could even be calculated. Even 1000 lbs feet torque with zero RPM = zero HP. There is Zero RPM if there's insufficient TORQUE to rotate the wheels. HP is merely a theoretical value calculation, not a measured value!

A "horse" does not have a given pulling or rotational strength value as there are vast differences is sizes and pulling strengths of all the various horses. A given size horse's pulling strength can be actually measured but which horse?

The more FORCE (TORQUE) one applies to wheel shaft, the more RPM's it will turn! No where is the word HP used or even involved to make the wheel turn to any RPM's!

TORQUE and RPM are measurable but NOT HP as it's only a theoretical calculation!


Read the article that meagain posted a link to. Power is the rate of doing work. Neither Rpm nor torque are needed to calculate HP. The formula: HP= torque x rpm/5252 is derived from the definition of horsepower(1 horsepower is the power required to lift 550 lbs 1ft in 1 second). If the formula involving rpm and torque were to be stated accurately it would read HP = torque x rpm x pi/16500.

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Posted: 03/03/17 10:27pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

So how did the new Ford with it's increased torque and aluminum body not eat the other 2 for lunch? I thought towing just got easier??? [emoticon]

I think the "old school" Ram did just fine in both looks and performance. [emoticon]


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Posted: 03/03/17 11:34pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Well, we now know which manufacture is padding the books. [emoticon] First we have fake news and now we have fake HP. [emoticon]


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Posted: 03/04/17 02:10am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

4x4ord wrote:

travelnutz wrote:

Me Again,

DUH! HP is merely a theoretical calculation moniker derived from how fast the TORQUE applied to the drive wheels rotates them thus creating measurable RPM. HP is NOT a direct measurable value! Zero torque = Zero RPM and thus Zero HP could even be calculated. Even 1000 lbs feet torque with zero RPM = zero HP. There is Zero RPM if there's insufficient TORQUE to rotate the wheels. HP is merely a theoretical value calculation, not a measured value!

A "horse" does not have a given pulling or rotational strength value as there are vast differences is sizes and pulling strengths of all the various horses. A given size horse's pulling strength can be actually measured but which horse?

The more FORCE (TORQUE) one applies to wheel shaft, the more RPM's it will turn! No where is the word HP used or even involved to make the wheel turn to any RPM's!

TORQUE and RPM are measurable but NOT HP as it's only a theoretical calculation!


Read the article that meagain posted a link to. Power is the rate of doing work. Neither Rpm nor torque are needed to calculate HP. The formula: HP= torque x rpm/5252 is derived from the definition of horsepower(1 horsepower is the power required to lift 550 lbs 1ft in 1 second). If the formula involving rpm and torque were to be stated accurately it would read HP = torque x rpm x pi/16500.
No matter. It is a well known fact that 4.10 gears will perform better in towing than 3.73s
So obviously, if the DA had 4.10s it would do better.
At one time, the Ram/Cummins was available with 3 different gear ratios, and 3 different tow ratings.
I will leave it up to the math gurus to debate as to why that is.



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Guys, were talking about a 15 second split on a 10 minute time, it just goes to show how exceptionally closely matched all three trucks are. I do personally think that the particular F350 they used was going through a regen or something.


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