joerg68

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The Apex was dry (well, condensation is a bit of an issue and water started seeping through the sewing holes after a couple of days). But it is still more of a tent feeling compared to a hardwall, and you are well advised to have everything dried off before you store the camper. That is in Cental Europe, where three days without rain in a row in summer are remarkable ;-)
There are a lot of pros and cons listed above. IMO it really depends on what you want to do with the camper. Like I wrote, when the weather is right, camping in a popup is the best there is - for me.
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rottidawg

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Kinda tough to do this with a hard side.....in five years my FWC has never been off the truck.
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Ramp Digger

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jmtandem wrote: Quote: Hard-Sides
-Warmer/cooler
-Heavier (generally)
-More 'top heavy', more sway issues, roll issues, etc.
-Less versatile
-Cheaper used than pop-ups
Pop-Ups
-Better Gas mileage
-Lighter
-Get colder/hotter quicker
-Can be obtained with all the 'comforts' of a hard-side
-Are harder to find and are more expensive used than hard-sides
I have owned both, an Alaskan for ten years and two hard sides since around the mid '80s. Both have their place. If you do a lot of 4x4 off road driving the pop up will likely work better. Otherwise, the limitations of the pop up need to be taken into consideration as to basic amenities like showers, larger refers, more storage, etc. typically found in the hard side campers. Both can be very expensive and both can be quite heavy, sometimes surprisingly heavy for pop ups. If you are into expedition overland off road stuff the pop up would definitely be my choice. Otherwise I would look at a hard side. One thing I found with my Alaskan was the depreciation after ten years was only $500; of course, the new ones kept getting more and more expensive that kept the price of a good used unit from much depreciation. I have not enjoyed that kind of limited depreciation on my two hardsides. I carried a small boat on the roof rack of my Alaskan. Extreme care would have been needed if I carried the boat on my hard side campers as to height. If you are into parking garages neither will work. If you want to tow something and can live without slides and lots of amenities the pop up might be the better option. I found drivability with the pop up to be easier than either hard side. My second hard side was just under eleven feet and basically required a dually. Most pop ups can be easily carried on a single rear wheel one ton or maybe a gas engine heavy duty three quarter ton. x2. Fully agree with your comments. I might add that after having a WHITE KNUCKLE blowout at interstate speeds on the left rear of our f-250 the hard side had to go or buy a DRW truck. Bottom line that is why we now have a DRW truck and a popup.That is just my personal safety margin.
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bcbouy

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my pop up also stays on my truck for all but the middle of winter,and it's my daily driver.i'd hate to do that with a hard side.
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MKish

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I have a Northstar 800 popup. It's short on storage because cabinets don't go all the way up (obviously!) and we travel with 2 children and sometimes a large dog. The fridge is a little small. It's nice and airy and I prefer the tenty feel to the RV feel. It fits in my garage (NOT on the truck though). It's warm and waterproof. We've been in heavy rain and wind and stayed dry. Only taken it down to about 30F but it was fine (we don't sleep with the furnace on).
We can have lunch without popping the top. (I can actually stand with the top down but I'm short.) I don't think I'd use the stove without popping up though. It doesn't take long to pop it up or down. Northstar claims that their new models allow use of the toilet with the top down (when I was looking you couldn't).
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jmtandem

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Interesting comments on stealth camping with a pop-up. I guess that limitation is only a consideration if you are trying to hide the sleeping experience in an urban area. And I fully agree. However, the only real benefit of a pop-up is to go stealth camping off grid and off the paved highways so being stealth with the top up on a pop-up is a non-issue where the camper is designed to be used.
My pop-up experience has only been with an Alaskan camper and it is a hard side pop-up as fabric is not used between the top and the bottom of the camper. So, some of the comments about water/dampness/drying and noise are not really relevant with the Alaskan. While I never felt that my Alaskan was especially light nor inexpensive to purchase, it was the truck camper equivalent of an Airstream trailer. Extremely well made, hydraulic pump raises and lowers the top, no rubber roof nor filon/gel in the sides. They are clearly designed for longevity.
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Geewizard

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MKish wrote: I have a Northstar 800 popup. It's short on storage because cabinets don't go all the way up (obviously!) and we travel with 2 children and sometimes a large dog. The fridge is a little small. It's nice and airy and I prefer the tenty feel to the RV feel. It fits in my garage (NOT on the truck though). It's warm and waterproof. We've been in heavy rain and wind and stayed dry. Only taken it down to about 30F but it was fine (we don't sleep with the furnace on).
We can have lunch without popping the top. (I can actually stand with the top down but I'm short.) I don't think I'd use the stove without popping up though. It doesn't take long to pop it up or down. Northstar claims that their new models allow use of the toilet with the top down (when I was looking you couldn't).
x2. We've lunched, napped, used the stove, used the toilet, all with the top down. Having seen a bunch of hard-side campers and trucks not dealing well with crosswinds, winding corners where the whole truck looks like it's going to tip over, etcetera, helped steer us towards a pop-up.
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I had an 8' pop up when I was single. I took it on some mild off road places. The view with all the windows was really nice. What I didn't like was having to put the top up and down, particularly in the rain or wind. I also didn't like the lack of security.
My current camper with the wife and kids is an 11' hardside. WE use it more for traveling than off road camping. It's the only thing I would want for our use. We can stop anywhere and use the bathroom which is great with the kids. We often pull into a rest area for lunch and can use everything without having to put the top up and then back down. Our stuff is secure when we leave a campsite for a hike. The interior is nice and quiet no matter where we stop. Sometimes My wife will fire up the generator and take an air conditioned nap in the parking lot while the boys and I look at some attraction that doesn't interest her. I don't think that would be happening with a pop-up.
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As someone else mentioned, one of the big advantages of (some) popups is being able to park in a standard garage.
DW and I were happy with our popup for ten years. We became less so as we got older.
Our three main reasons for switching to a hardside: (1) Not having to pop or drop the top or switch from travel to dining to sleeping mode. (2) Wanting a bathroom (not a porta-potty). (3) Having a fridge with a freezer. Oh and our hardside is much easier to get into and out of bed – not to mention being able to sit up in bed.
Though our popup had better fuel economy, was much better on bumpy, dirt roads, AND was a dream on the highway, we would not want to go back – though as I mentioned previously, it was a fine choice when we were younger and just graduating from a tent.
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I've had one of each. IMO there are two groups of pop-ups: the really light and compact and the heavier full size. Each one of them has their own pros and cons. The biggest con for me is the lift mechanism and limited support. If the mechanism fails or the pop-up material gets ripped or fails you can't go to your local RV dealer for repairs, you're probably running to Colorado for repairs. Maybe you can do it yourself...?
I really like the hardside. Any RV dealer can work on it if needed, I'm not hitting my head going in/out the door, and it's always "up" and ready to use or travel.
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