sljohnson1938 wrote:
i just found this topic, so I do not know if you have picked a TC or not.
I just thought I would say that I have never heard anything good about Travel Lite. There is one fella on another net that has had nothing but problems with his new unit and the factory is of no help. I have had 2 used Northstar 10' and they were good units. I had a used Outfitter which was ok, but I would never get another. The mfg. was of no help when problems occurred. They always passed the blame on to another.
I am happy to hear good things about Palomino. I looked at them before they fixed the door problem. I looked at a new one and the dealer could not open the door.
i just found this topic, so I do not know if you have picked a TC or not.
I just thought I would say that I have never heard anything good about Travel Lite. There is one fella on another net that has had nothing but problems with his new unit and the factory is of no help. I have had 2 used Northstar 10' and they were good units. I had a used Outfitter which was ok, but I would never get another. The mfg. was of no help when problems occurred. They always passed the blame on to another.
I am happy to hear good things about Palomino. I looked at them before they fixed the door problem. I looked at a new one and the dealer could not open the door.
Maybe he needed to unlock it. It has a double lock.....
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2015 Backpack SS1500
1997 Ford 7.3 OBS 4x4 CC LB
GeoBoy wrote:
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
I respectfully disagree as I just traded in a 10 yr old Diesel. They gave me 30k with almost 100k on it. A similar hemi truck was worth $12k..
As to the OP, the Ford XLT I bought was the same price as a similar Ram, Ford offered more options and the diesel option was cheaper, over 11k for the Cummins and that aisin trans was another 2500k, Ford gives you the diesel for $8900..
No brand war, Ford is all new and Ram is a 2010 design.
2017 Ford F-350, crewcab, 4x4, 6.7 diesel.
2016 Thunderjet Luxor 21' limited edition, Yamaha powered.
2016 Wolf Creek 840-SOLD, Arctic Fox 990 ordered.
Vinsil wrote:
I respectfully disagree as I just traded in a 10 yr old Diesel. They gave me 30k with almost 100k on it. A similar hemi truck was worth $12k..
As to the OP, the Ford XLT I bought was the same price as a similar Ram, Ford offered more options and the diesel option was cheaper, over 11k for the Cummins and that aisin trans was another 2500k, Ford gives you the diesel for $8900..
No brand war, Ford is all new and Ram is a 2010 design.
GeoBoy wrote:
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
I respectfully disagree as I just traded in a 10 yr old Diesel. They gave me 30k with almost 100k on it. A similar hemi truck was worth $12k..
As to the OP, the Ford XLT I bought was the same price as a similar Ram, Ford offered more options and the diesel option was cheaper, over 11k for the Cummins and that aisin trans was another 2500k, Ford gives you the diesel for $8900..
No brand war, Ford is all new and Ram is a 2010 design.
I finally did locate a comparable Ford (gasser still) which I'm going to take a look at today, and you're right, the price is right around where the Dodge is. My diesel isn't worth quite as much as yours, but I'm hoping for a trade value of $16-17k, the Dodge dealer offered $16k so far.
2018 Ram 3500 srw crew 3.73 4x4 6.4L Hemi
2018 Northstar 850sc
2008 Jayco 26L, Reese HP DC WD hitch
2006 Dodge Ram 2500 mega 3.73 4x4 5.9L Cummins, Prodigy, MOPAR power tow mirrors (traded)
2000 F-150 V8 5.4L, Reese Brakeman (died)
Ford is notorious for engine issues with the diesels, except the venerable 7.3, which I own. From **** head bolts to exploding, non rebuildable turbo's to lowest bidder Tier 4 compliant emissions parts.
Diesels have become very complex today and the more complexity, the more chance of failure at some point.
If I was in the market for a new truck (which I'm not), I'd buy a gasoline motor. The emissions on a gas motor have had the 'bugs' worked out. Diesels on the other hand have not.
The other 'fly in the ointment' is fuel cost of diesel over gasoline and fuel prices are going up, pretty steadily. I see the 3+ buck fuel coming again. Diesel here in Michigan is averaging $2.79 a gallon right now with regulat unleaded staying about 30 cents less. That 30 cents less adds up pretty quick, plus the up front cost of a diesel is substantially more than a gas motor.
All things to consider.
Finally, diesel routine maintenance, will always be more than a gas motor. More lube oil, more for filters and more tire wear because the torque from a diesel motor, eats tires.
jat4 wrote:
I finally did locate a comparable Ford (gasser still) which I'm going to take a look at today, and you're right, the price is right around where the Dodge is. My diesel isn't worth quite as much as yours, but I'm hoping for a trade value of $16-17k, the Dodge dealer offered $16k so far.
Vinsil wrote:
I respectfully disagree as I just traded in a 10 yr old Diesel. They gave me 30k with almost 100k on it. A similar hemi truck was worth $12k..
As to the OP, the Ford XLT I bought was the same price as a similar Ram, Ford offered more options and the diesel option was cheaper, over 11k for the Cummins and that aisin trans was another 2500k, Ford gives you the diesel for $8900..
No brand war, Ford is all new and Ram is a 2010 design.
GeoBoy wrote:
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
I respectfully disagree as I just traded in a 10 yr old Diesel. They gave me 30k with almost 100k on it. A similar hemi truck was worth $12k..
As to the OP, the Ford XLT I bought was the same price as a similar Ram, Ford offered more options and the diesel option was cheaper, over 11k for the Cummins and that aisin trans was another 2500k, Ford gives you the diesel for $8900..
No brand war, Ford is all new and Ram is a 2010 design.
I finally did locate a comparable Ford (gasser still) which I'm going to take a look at today, and you're right, the price is right around where the Dodge is. My diesel isn't worth quite as much as yours, but I'm hoping for a trade value of $16-17k, the Dodge dealer offered $16k so far.
How many miles on your truck? That trade offer seems really low unless you have 200k+ miles...
If it’s your location it might be worth a few calls to som of the larger dealers like Dave Smith if they offer you more for your truck.
SidecarFlip wrote:
New design = issues. Old design = less issues. Pretty simple far as I can see.
Ford is notorious for engine issues with the diesels, except the venerable 7.3, which I own. From **** head bolts to exploding, non rebuildable turbo's to lowest bidder Tier 4 compliant emissions parts.
Diesels have become very complex today and the more complexity, the more chance of failure at some point.
If I was in the market for a new truck (which I'm not), I'd buy a gasoline motor. The emissions on a gas motor have had the 'bugs' worked out. Diesels on the other hand have not.
The other 'fly in the ointment' is fuel cost of diesel over gasoline and fuel prices are going up, pretty steadily. I see the 3+ buck fuel coming again. Diesel here in Michigan is averaging $2.79 a gallon right now with regulat unleaded staying about 30 cents less. That 30 cents less adds up pretty quick, plus the up front cost of a diesel is substantially more than a gas motor.
All things to consider.
Finally, diesel routine maintenance, will always be more than a gas motor. More lube oil, more for filters and more tire wear because the torque from a diesel motor, eats tires.
New design = issues. Old design = less issues. Pretty simple far as I can see.
Ford is notorious for engine issues with the diesels, except the venerable 7.3, which I own. From **** head bolts to exploding, non rebuildable turbo's to lowest bidder Tier 4 compliant emissions parts.
Diesels have become very complex today and the more complexity, the more chance of failure at some point.
If I was in the market for a new truck (which I'm not), I'd buy a gasoline motor. The emissions on a gas motor have had the 'bugs' worked out. Diesels on the other hand have not.
The other 'fly in the ointment' is fuel cost of diesel over gasoline and fuel prices are going up, pretty steadily. I see the 3+ buck fuel coming again. Diesel here in Michigan is averaging $2.79 a gallon right now with regulat unleaded staying about 30 cents less. That 30 cents less adds up pretty quick, plus the up front cost of a diesel is substantially more than a gas motor.
All things to consider.
Finally, diesel routine maintenance, will always be more than a gas motor. More lube oil, more for filters and more tire wear because the torque from a diesel motor, eats tires.
The OP is looking at gasser trucks. But the 6.7 scorpion has an excellent track record so far. But yes, they are more complicated than the old 7.3’s (which I had and did love but it was a slow and weak combo compared to the new trucks) and cost a little more to change the oil and fuel filters. Some of us tow heavy and live in the West with mountains so I appreciate the power of a diesel. I didn’t buy it for mileage, although I’m averaging over 18 mpg combined or to save money at the pump or service intervals. I bought it to work and tow my boat so it was worth it. Drive a modern diesel. It will blow your mind how far they have come from my 95 power stroke or even my 07 Cummins.
But it’s not for everyone that is for sure!
Vinsil wrote:
The OP is looking at gasser trucks. But the 6.7 scorpion has an excellent track record so far. But yes, they are more complicated than the old 7.3’s (which I had and did love but it was a slow and weak combo compared to the new trucks) and cost a little more to change the oil and fuel filters. Some of us tow heavy and live in the West with mountains so I appreciate the power of a diesel. I didn’t buy it for mileage, although I’m averaging over 18 mpg combined or to save money at the pump or service intervals. I bought it to work and tow my boat so it was worth it. Drive a modern diesel. It will blow your mind how far they have come from my 95 power stroke or even my 07 Cummins.
But it’s not for everyone that is for sure!
SidecarFlip wrote:
New design = issues. Old design = less issues. Pretty simple far as I can see.
Ford is notorious for engine issues with the diesels, except the venerable 7.3, which I own. From **** head bolts to exploding, non rebuildable turbo's to lowest bidder Tier 4 compliant emissions parts.
Diesels have become very complex today and the more complexity, the more chance of failure at some point.
If I was in the market for a new truck (which I'm not), I'd buy a gasoline motor. The emissions on a gas motor have had the 'bugs' worked out. Diesels on the other hand have not.
The other 'fly in the ointment' is fuel cost of diesel over gasoline and fuel prices are going up, pretty steadily. I see the 3+ buck fuel coming again. Diesel here in Michigan is averaging $2.79 a gallon right now with regulat unleaded staying about 30 cents less. That 30 cents less adds up pretty quick, plus the up front cost of a diesel is substantially more than a gas motor.
All things to consider.
Finally, diesel routine maintenance, will always be more than a gas motor. More lube oil, more for filters and more tire wear because the torque from a diesel motor, eats tires.
New design = issues. Old design = less issues. Pretty simple far as I can see.
Ford is notorious for engine issues with the diesels, except the venerable 7.3, which I own. From **** head bolts to exploding, non rebuildable turbo's to lowest bidder Tier 4 compliant emissions parts.
Diesels have become very complex today and the more complexity, the more chance of failure at some point.
If I was in the market for a new truck (which I'm not), I'd buy a gasoline motor. The emissions on a gas motor have had the 'bugs' worked out. Diesels on the other hand have not.
The other 'fly in the ointment' is fuel cost of diesel over gasoline and fuel prices are going up, pretty steadily. I see the 3+ buck fuel coming again. Diesel here in Michigan is averaging $2.79 a gallon right now with regulat unleaded staying about 30 cents less. That 30 cents less adds up pretty quick, plus the up front cost of a diesel is substantially more than a gas motor.
All things to consider.
Finally, diesel routine maintenance, will always be more than a gas motor. More lube oil, more for filters and more tire wear because the torque from a diesel motor, eats tires.
The OP is looking at gasser trucks. But the 6.7 scorpion has an excellent track record so far. But yes, they are more complicated than the old 7.3’s (which I had and did love but it was a slow and weak combo compared to the new trucks) and cost a little more to change the oil and fuel filters. Some of us tow heavy and live in the West with mountains so I appreciate the power of a diesel. I didn’t buy it for mileage, although I’m averaging over 18 mpg combined or to save money at the pump or service intervals. I bought it to work and tow my boat so it was worth it. Drive a modern diesel. It will blow your mind how far they have come from my 95 power stroke or even my 07 Cummins.
But it’s not for everyone that is for sure!
I have plenty of power and torque. Mine isn't stock (never has been) but it's not chipped either. I don't believe in advancing injection timing. I'm all about intake air flow boost and exhaust flow.
Ford SVO built my truck in '98 as a special project, engine, transmission and front and rear pigs were modified. It dynoed at 343 to the rear wheels in direct and it will light up both tires (has a Detroit Tru-Trak in the back) no problem and I average around 18 on the road empty, 16 with the camper.
Plenty of go power for my old butt. Best part is no emissions whatsoever. Nothing, not even a crankcase recirc system. I have a road draft tube. Keeps the blowby out of the compressor.
Probably outlast me. I'm sure my wife will have no issue selling it. Everyone that sees it, wants it. Mint OBS 350 4 doors on 4 wd are in big demand.
Just had a garage sale and it was sitting in the side yard and everyone asked if it was for sale. My reply was.. "you cannot afford it'.
Don't want to play 'test dummy' for any long term longevity real world testing as far as T4 Final hardware / software is concerned. None of that is an issue with a gasser today.
Test horses run by the OEM's and real world driving conditions are 2 different things.
Have a good friend with a 15 powerstroke and he had a sensor fail in the exhaust downstream and yes, it was replaced at no cost but it entailed a wrecker and a tow to a dealer. The new motors when an issue arises, either derate or shut down. His derated and he got off the street and hut it off and would not restart.
I don't have those issues. The only issue I might have is a CPS sensor and I carry a spare and a 10mm deep well socket in the door pocket. 5 minute fix and maybe dirty hands. IH built an excellent motor, well capable of 250-300K miles without any major issues so long as it's halfway maintained.
I would have preferred a DT466 but it wasn't available and probably wouldn't fit under the hood anyway.
Vinsil wrote:
How many miles on your truck? That trade offer seems really low unless you have 200k+ miles...
If it’s your location it might be worth a few calls to som of the larger dealers like Dave Smith if they offer you more for your truck.
jat4 wrote:
I finally did locate a comparable Ford (gasser still) which I'm going to take a look at today, and you're right, the price is right around where the Dodge is. My diesel isn't worth quite as much as yours, but I'm hoping for a trade value of $16-17k, the Dodge dealer offered $16k so far.
Vinsil wrote:
I respectfully disagree as I just traded in a 10 yr old Diesel. They gave me 30k with almost 100k on it. A similar hemi truck was worth $12k..
As to the OP, the Ford XLT I bought was the same price as a similar Ram, Ford offered more options and the diesel option was cheaper, over 11k for the Cummins and that aisin trans was another 2500k, Ford gives you the diesel for $8900..
No brand war, Ford is all new and Ram is a 2010 design.
GeoBoy wrote:
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
Jat4,
Keeping a truck 10+ years, a diesel isn’t going to give you a big advantage with resale. The Ford or GM 350/3500 with a gas engine will do everything you want to do with a Northstar 950sc on the back. Good luck.
I respectfully disagree as I just traded in a 10 yr old Diesel. They gave me 30k with almost 100k on it. A similar hemi truck was worth $12k..
As to the OP, the Ford XLT I bought was the same price as a similar Ram, Ford offered more options and the diesel option was cheaper, over 11k for the Cummins and that aisin trans was another 2500k, Ford gives you the diesel for $8900..
No brand war, Ford is all new and Ram is a 2010 design.
I finally did locate a comparable Ford (gasser still) which I'm going to take a look at today, and you're right, the price is right around where the Dodge is. My diesel isn't worth quite as much as yours, but I'm hoping for a trade value of $16-17k, the Dodge dealer offered $16k so far.
How many miles on your truck? That trade offer seems really low unless you have 200k+ miles...
If it’s your location it might be worth a few calls to som of the larger dealers like Dave Smith if they offer you more for your truck.
My truck just turned 150k miles. The NADA guide online (consumer version obviously) lists a range of $19k for "rough" trade-in value to $21k for "clean" value; Kelly Blue Book lists $14k to $18 for "good" condition, $12k to $15 for "fair." Some of the dealer trade-in calculators have been sort of $14k-ish to $17k-ish. So $16,000 seems about right given the condition (somewhere between average and good). The Ford dealer I visited today offered $15k for trade.
Again would love to see the build sheet. My deleted and modded 6.7 Cummins put down 495 horses at the wheels and that was maxed out on fuel, boost and my cp3 was being drained...ie, a dyno wonder without being sustained on the street in any real world use.
Thread hijack over, sorry OP!