SidecarFlip wrote:
Why would a 1 ton 3500 be squatting with a pup up? Don't get that. Your camper weight has to be about what mine is (2200 pounds) wet (no gear just propane and water). Mine never squatted the truck at all. Even the overload leaf is 4" away from the perch block. Granted I have air bags but that is with only 5 pounds in the bag, where they are at rest (no load) all the time.
After looking at the Timbren (aka: rubber ride). I don't think you'll be very happy with the unladen ride. They look to me to be a hard riding alternative when empty. Your kidneys, not mine....lol
I believe I'd go with max inflation in the rear tires for starters, then air lift bags (like I have) and then a sway bar. One thing about air bags is, when empty you can deflate them for the OEM ride and when loaded, you can air them up to level and and increase the capacity and they reduce sway.
Your choice however.
Kind of puzzled about your suspension and it sagging. Never had that issue with my Ford at all. Really, not even with the Lance in the bed, did the truck squat much. Maybe an inch or 2 at most.
Sit in with the Palomino is maybe 1/2" at most. Could be I have a stouter suspension than you do, not sure.
I think the Timbrens are a mistake but again, it's your money and your kidneys, not mine.
Why would a 1 ton 3500 be squatting with a pup up? Don't get that. Your camper weight has to be about what mine is (2200 pounds) wet (no gear just propane and water). Mine never squatted the truck at all. Even the overload leaf is 4" away from the perch block. Granted I have air bags but that is with only 5 pounds in the bag, where they are at rest (no load) all the time.
After looking at the Timbren (aka: rubber ride). I don't think you'll be very happy with the unladen ride. They look to me to be a hard riding alternative when empty. Your kidneys, not mine....lol
I believe I'd go with max inflation in the rear tires for starters, then air lift bags (like I have) and then a sway bar. One thing about air bags is, when empty you can deflate them for the OEM ride and when loaded, you can air them up to level and and increase the capacity and they reduce sway.
Your choice however.
Kind of puzzled about your suspension and it sagging. Never had that issue with my Ford at all. Really, not even with the Lance in the bed, did the truck squat much. Maybe an inch or 2 at most.
Sit in with the Palomino is maybe 1/2" at most. Could be I have a stouter suspension than you do, not sure.
I think the Timbrens are a mistake but again, it's your money and your kidneys, not mine.
yep, it's a bit of a puzzle. the camper does weigh a bit more than yours, the build sheet from the factory says 2400 pounds dry (no battery or propane), haven't taken the truck to the scales yet. My understanding on the timbrens is they only engage when loaded, empty they should sit about an inch above the axle when unloaded.
2018 Ram 3500 srw crew 3.73 4x4 6.4L Hemi
2018 Northstar 850sc
2008 Jayco 26L, Reese HP DC WD hitch
2006 Dodge Ram 2500 mega 3.73 4x4 5.9L Cummins, Prodigy, MOPAR power tow mirrors (traded)
2000 F-150 V8 5.4L, Reese Brakeman (died)
In as much as it's already on here (for all to read), I'll just continue and say I didn't know how they mounted, I just looked at the composition (molded synthetic rubber) and thought to myself, an extended bump stop would do the same thing and be a heck of a lot cheaper...
I have to say, I prefer the air lift bags for the adjustability but I'm still baffled about the suspension sit in sag. It's a 1 ton, not a F150 pseudo pickup truck aka: Grocery getter.
My Lance was way north of 3000 pounds and it really didn't squat my truck either. It did suffer in cross winds (rock and roll) but I always equated that to the overall height of the camper and the fact that my truck is lifted too. I kept the OEM spting packs, just had the re-arched in the back and added spacer blocks and angle shims to maintain the drive line angle and in the front, I did a spring flip and shackle reversal so the spring packs are stock and have never been altered in any way (except the re-arch in the back.... And I've never ran nitrogen filled shocks, always oil filled.
I don't believe in Nitrogen filled shocks because they contribute to a harsh ride. The start load on a gas charged shock is much higher than a conventional oil filled shock and that equates to a harsher ride. I did a lot of research when I did my suspension. OBS Fords like I have, have always been notorious as hard riding. You have coils in the front, I don't. I have military wrap leaves, front and back. Not built for comfort but can be made tolerable with some suspension modifications, which I did.
2015 Backpack SS1500
1997 Ford 7.3 OBS 4x4 CC LB
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.....My off the cuff comparison to the older rigs.
1 ton only has 4 leafs total too!
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5” turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold
discovery4us wrote:
SidecarFlip you have done it now. Talk bad about Timbrens and admit to hauling a TC on a truck with a rear spacer block
SidecarFlip you have done it now. Talk bad about Timbrens and admit to hauling a TC on a truck with a rear spacer block
My spacer block is cast steel and is under the spring pack above the axle perch.... Strictly for raising the truck. Has nothing to do with the spring pack.
Did all that way back when and candidly, I'm sorry now that I did it. Truck handles fine, I installed top quality stuff all around but now that I'm in my 60's, It's a royal PITA getting in and out, even with side steps. I have to help my wife get in, she cannot make the climb herself.
I will say I have a nice view of everything, I'm higher than 90% of the vehicles on the road but it comes at a price and that price is getting in...and out.
I need to sell it to some young buck that wants to look 'cool'
There is a picture of it (with the camper on) in this weeks issue of Truck Camper Magazine...online. It is pretty photogenic...
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Grit dog wrote:
^ Its not really squatting that much. And most newer trucks, at least ford and Ram that ive had have softer initial spring rates than older trucks. Theyre a little more compliant lightly loaded at the expense of more inital settling of the suspension.
.....My off the cuff comparison to the older rigs.
1 ton only has 4 leafs total too!
^ Its not really squatting that much. And most newer trucks, at least ford and Ram that ive had have softer initial spring rates than older trucks. Theyre a little more compliant lightly loaded at the expense of more inital settling of the suspension.
.....My off the cuff comparison to the older rigs.
1 ton only has 4 leafs total too!
I bet you are right about that. I have 7 leaves in each rear pack plus an overload that never sees any use.
realter wrote:
What is your clearance height? Your height doesn't look much lower than my NS Laredo. I also have sway. Roadmaster anti sway was only $750 out of my wallet. Increasing tire pressure to 80 helped some, but the biggest difference was the Torklift Stable Loads. It has only taken me 8 years to figure it out, and now I keep thinking about a small lightweight pop up camper like Four Wheel Hawk shell.
What is your clearance height? Your height doesn't look much lower than my NS Laredo. I also have sway. Roadmaster anti sway was only $750 out of my wallet. Increasing tire pressure to 80 helped some, but the biggest difference was the Torklift Stable Loads. It has only taken me 8 years to figure it out, and now I keep thinking about a small lightweight pop up camper like Four Wheel Hawk shell.
Who are you directing your question to?
realter wrote:
What is your clearance height? Your height doesn't look much lower than my NS Laredo. I also have sway. Roadmaster anti sway was only $750 out of my wallet. Increasing tire pressure to 80 helped some, but the biggest difference was the Torklift Stable Loads. It has only taken me 8 years to figure it out, and now I keep thinking about a small lightweight pop up camper like Four Wheel Hawk shell.
What is your clearance height? Your height doesn't look much lower than my NS Laredo. I also have sway. Roadmaster anti sway was only $750 out of my wallet. Increasing tire pressure to 80 helped some, but the biggest difference was the Torklift Stable Loads. It has only taken me 8 years to figure it out, and now I keep thinking about a small lightweight pop up camper like Four Wheel Hawk shell.
Unit height is 5'6", another 9" for the a/c unit, the bed height is 38-ish" under load, so about 9'6" total or thereabouts. Have seen mixed reports about sway bars, I'll take a closer look at the Stable Loads info. thanks.
jat4 wrote:
Unit height is 5'6", another 9" for the a/c unit, the bed height is 38-ish" under load, so about 9'6" total or thereabouts. Have seen mixed reports about sway bars, I'll take a closer look at the Stable Loads info. thanks.
realter wrote:
What is your clearance height? Your height doesn't look much lower than my NS Laredo. I also have sway. Roadmaster anti sway was only $750 out of my wallet. Increasing tire pressure to 80 helped some, but the biggest difference was the Torklift Stable Loads. It has only taken me 8 years to figure it out, and now I keep thinking about a small lightweight pop up camper like Four Wheel Hawk shell.
What is your clearance height? Your height doesn't look much lower than my NS Laredo. I also have sway. Roadmaster anti sway was only $750 out of my wallet. Increasing tire pressure to 80 helped some, but the biggest difference was the Torklift Stable Loads. It has only taken me 8 years to figure it out, and now I keep thinking about a small lightweight pop up camper like Four Wheel Hawk shell.
Unit height is 5'6", another 9" for the a/c unit, the bed height is 38-ish" under load, so about 9'6" total or thereabouts. Have seen mixed reports about sway bars, I'll take a closer look at the Stable Loads info. thanks.
Thanks for the quick and courteous response. My Laredo is almost 11' 6" to the top of the AC. So it's actually about 2' higher. It was hard to tell from the picture.