ryegatevt
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We leave our twin beds set up all the time - the big (heavy) rear table is left in the closet at home. We sit up front to enjoy the view and often swivel the seats to read. We find the small built in night table incredibly useful - the drawers stow our personal stuff and a Bose Radio sits on top. We bring the small table to the rear for dining and computer work.
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booster
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Reflex439 wrote:One recent update to my last post of 8/22/16. In the front area, I replaced the third seat and added a Lagoon swivel table. I can not seat three in the front and use the table for any of the seats, or for all, as well as swinging it to use for the kitchen prep. The rear bed is still setup as a permanent queen bed (east/west). This configuration with the seating and table for three, and the permanent bed works perfect for us.
Here is a https://wordpress.com/post/blacktopoffice.com/680blog that shows the table configurations if interested.
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We went the oppostite way on our 07 C190P Roadtrek. We found the front table too big, as you couldn't walk around it to get to the bathroom or kitchen without folding it down. Ours had the current version table that came out of the cabinet, and we just made a smaller one, that could be gotten around. Much more useful, although we don't use it as much as we thought we would, as we tend to like lounging on the nice mattress on the full time bed we put in.
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Davydd
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Twin beds and fixed platform beds gave way to electric sofa/beds about a decade or so ago as they proved popular with multi-purpose functions as well as offering legal front facing seat-belt seating. The problem with them is in a Class B they were inconvenient as beds in getting in and out of them crab crawling or scooting to a narrow aisle spot at the foot of the bed. Twin beds are making a resurgence because of that I think.
Advanced RV developed a new innovation in the electric sofa/bed. They created a collapsible fold away center seat section in the sofa so when their tri-fold design converts into a bed there is a section at the foot where one can easily get out of bed similar to a twin bed set up. So you can get the best of both it seems. Here is there video demonstrating it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59sPU6vFdDs
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stan909
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On our 96 Coachmen Saratoga We like separate twin beds amid ships so we don't need to crawl to get to the rear toilet at night. Similar floorplan to Travato 59k.
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dicktill
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Reflex439 wrote:One recent update to my last post of 8/22/16. In the front area, I replaced the third seat and added a Lagoon swivel table. I can not seat three in the front and use the table for any of the seats, or for all, as well as swinging it to use for the kitchen prep. The rear bed is still setup as a permanent queen bed (east/west). This configuration with the seating and table for three, and the permanent bed works perfect for us.
Here is a https://wordpress.com/post/blacktopoffice.com/680blog that shows the table configurations if interested.
Nice looking tables and configuration! The link didn't work for me though. Can you please post it again?
Thanks, Dick
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Old topic but I learned long ago that for me the best way to go with my PW Traverse's fold out sofa bed and before that, my Lance camper, was to use a camping inflatable mattress (like what Thermarest and similar companies do) and a sleeping bag. I have an oversized bag with a flannel liner and it's very comfy. I tried traditional bedding in both rigs but the air mattress and sleeping bag was the best bet for me. As far as stowing, partially deflate the air mattress and fold in half or thirds (depending on the height and width of the mattress).
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Reflex439
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One recent update to my last post of 8/22/16. In the front area, I replaced the third seat and added a Lagoon swivel table. I can not seat three in the front and use the table for any of the seats, or for all, as well as swinging it to use for the kitchen prep. The rear bed is still setup as a permanent queen bed (east/west). This configuration with the seating and table for three, and the permanent bed works perfect for us.
Here is a https://wordpress.com/post/blacktopoffice.com/680blog that shows the table configurations if interested.
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Reflex439
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If you are thinking of setting up the bed east/west, try it out first. I didn't think it would work for me and never tried until I decided I wanted a full time bed. But I also didn't need a king size bed, nor did I want to loose that extra space under the cabinets I was using for temporary storage during the day. So that prompted me to try east/west, and found I preferred it for several reasons.
Also, please share your ideas once you've hashed them out. It may help others, and I'm always open to new ideas and modifications myself ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
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Great job Reflex439 ! You may have given me some ideas. Thanks,
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Reflex439
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I have a Roadtrek 190P and have nearly spent more time in the Roadtrek since March of this year, than I have in my own home. I’ve made multiple modifications during that time to find the perfect compromise for my use. This may be of interest there.
I setup the bed and dinette in the beginning, but over time I found I wanted a permanent bed and came up with the following. It works very well for how I utilize the van, both solo and with my wife.
I use the two long seat back cushions from the dinette in the center to create the bed. This makes for a 52”x72” bed, leaving the two areas under the rear cabinets open. It also allows better access to the overhead storage areas. I bought a Full size (3” thick 52”x73” memory foam mattress topper, and installed that east/west. That made a world of difference in comfort. I think I would have opted for a 4”. Or even better but more expensive, an 8” memory foam mattress and not use the Roadtrek cushions at all. Either way this gives us a decent size bed for the two of us.
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It also serves as a lounge area for watching tv, reading a book, etc. With the pillows, we can make two comfortable backrests that put us in the same position as a easy chair or sofa with feet up on a coffee table.
That also left extra space under the cabinets on both the left and right sides. Welcome additional storage! I will be adding customized drawers or bins as needs arise to custom fit for what will be stored there. Roughly two 20”x20”x13” areas of storage opened up.
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Due to the loss of the dinette, I needed to make things more desirable in the forward two seats for working, eating, playing cards or games, and to add additional counter and table space.
I removed the third seat we had never used and installed the nightstand from the rear in its place. I created a temporary custom tabletop to increase the surface area and test some configurations, positioned and held with C-clamps for now. In the end, there will be a sliding and folding table top that will double the surface area and allow it to be used in multiple configurations. It will slide toward the person in the rear facing passenger seat for dining or use as laptop work area, or unfold for more space for use in food preparation, folding clothes, etc. Folded and slid back allows easy access to for entry/exit thru the side doors and the smaller table top can still be used.
It also opens up storage for a bin area between the nightstand drawers and bathroom wall which I will custom fit for tupperware bins, or make a large deep storage bin area. Either will be accessible from both inside or outside as its a pass through.
The photos show a temporary setup as I work out the design before making the permanent installation, which will have a slide top to extend toward the rear facing passenger seat.
I now use the two tables up front and don’t miss the dinette at all. In fact, this layout works so much better as I can use it for preparing food, folding my laundry, work area, and transitional inside/outside stuff. Much more table/counter space than the dinette gave us.
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The stock table behind the drivers seat can still be used by either passenger or driver, or used together for lots of table/counter space. I will probably create a custom table to replace the drivers side table to make them work together better.
But as is, two of us can easily use the two front seats and tables for eating, working, playing cards, etc, and never feel the need to breakdown the bed and use the old dinette. Very functional table/counter space, and the bed is so much more comfortable.
I hope this makes sense. I can take additional photos if needed once I fabricate and install the final tables.
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