bfast54 wrote:
Respectfully I disagree with the the ending of your post----
I have a 7.3 turbo diesel 2000 with a 6-speed manual tranny4:10 rear gears. and got a long box dual wheels.
My other fifth wheel with no problems--- I just recently upgraded to a bigger fifth wheel I'm right at 22000 pounds total loaded--- when I hit about 23 --2400 RPM Diablo kicks in and we go--- and we go and we go.
We have a pretty good-sized Hill in our town and in the right lane Towing I can pass cars going up the hill so if you don't have power you haven't done it right
It has some pretty massive brakes on it but I am planning on switching to disc brakes On the fifth wheel that is
cummins2014 wrote:
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
rhagfo wrote:
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
Respectfully I disagree with the the ending of your post----
I have a 7.3 turbo diesel 2000 with a 6-speed manual tranny4:10 rear gears. and got a long box dual wheels.
My other fifth wheel with no problems--- I just recently upgraded to a bigger fifth wheel I'm right at 22000 pounds total loaded--- when I hit about 23 --2400 RPM Diablo kicks in and we go--- and we go and we go.
We have a pretty good-sized Hill in our town and in the right lane Towing I can pass cars going up the hill so if you don't have power you haven't done it right
It has some pretty massive brakes on it but I am planning on switching to disc brakes On the fifth wheel that is
Respectfully disagree, what is there to disagree he has a 250 with 3:73 gears trying to tow 12K. You are towing with 4:10's and a dually where do you find any comparison. About the only thing is you both have the same motor .
No ,he is not good to go in that configuration. This is tiresome reading this stuff you guys need to compare apples to apples here , which I did.
rhagfo wrote:
Look at my Signature! I tow an easy 11,000# with a Cummins 5.9 with a 50 hp, 150 lb. ft. chip, I also live in the PNW and pull hills at posted speeds with a 3.55 rear gear!
cummins2014 wrote:
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
rhagfo wrote:
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
Look at my Signature! I tow an easy 11,000# with a Cummins 5.9 with a 50 hp, 150 lb. ft. chip, I also live in the PNW and pull hills at posted speeds with a 3.55 rear gear!
I did look at your signature.
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Let me see if I get this, you are comparing a 5.9 cummins to a 7.3 ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/huh.gif "huh")
And somehow you say he is good to go ?? I will ask again, how much have you towed with a F250 7.3 Superduty WITH 12K hooked up.
BigToe wrote:
Whenever reading how so called "under powered" or "slow" the 7.3L is when towing, bear in mind the axle ratio the person with the opinion had.
BigToe hit the nail on the head. I tow a 15k fiver with my 2003 F450 7.3. I don't have any issues with power, but I've got 4.88 gears in the back. I wouldn't want to do it with a 3.73 axle. I think that would be asking too much of my engine and transmission.
Whenever reading how so called "under powered" or "slow" the 7.3L is when towing, bear in mind the axle ratio the person with the opinion had.
Stefonius wrote:
BigToe wrote:
Whenever reading how so called "under powered" or "slow" the 7.3L is when towing, bear in mind the axle ratio the person with the opinion had.
BigToe hit the nail on the head. I tow a 15k fiver with my 2003 F450 7.3. I don't have any issues with power, but I've got 4.88 gears in the back. I wouldn't want to do it with a 3.73 axle. I think that would be asking too much of my engine and transmission.Whenever reading how so called "under powered" or "slow" the 7.3L is when towing, bear in mind the axle ratio the person with the opinion had.
And what do think I am trying to say, you have the gears ,and a dually. I didn't think I would have to remind everyone that is raving about the 7.3 what the op has.
The OP's truck is a 250 with 3:73, and yet we are getting reply's like put on a PacBrake, and he is good to go. Thats crazy ,no he is not good to go. He is marginal at best. I did it for too long with a 7.3 to listen to some of these replies.
Kamyo91 wrote:
^^hotpepperkid
Do you have cold air and modified exhaust?
^^hotpepperkid
Do you have cold air and modified exhaust?
I have 4" exhaust (necessary) with chips or programers and Ford's severe duty air box. I have 3.73 rear end gears. I can pull 28lbs of boost but keep it under 25 with my foot, stock is 17. I can take the hill on I-40 West out of Albuquerque at 70 MPH in 4th
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cummins2014 wrote:
I did look at your signature. Let me see if I get this, you are comparing a 5.9 cummins to a 7.3 And somehow you say he is good to go ?? I will ask again, how much have you towed with a F250 7.3 Superduty WITH 12K hooked up.
rhagfo wrote:
Look at my Signature! I tow an easy 11,000# with a Cummins 5.9 with a 50 hp, 150 lb. ft. chip, I also live in the PNW and pull hills at posted speeds with a 3.55 rear gear!
cummins2014 wrote:
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
rhagfo wrote:
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
Look at my Signature! I tow an easy 11,000# with a Cummins 5.9 with a 50 hp, 150 lb. ft. chip, I also live in the PNW and pull hills at posted speeds with a 3.55 rear gear!
I did look at your signature.
Let me see if I get this, you are comparing a 5.9 cummins to a 7.3 And somehow you say he is good to go ?? I will ask again, how much have you towed with a F250 7.3 Superduty WITH 12K hooked up.Well 1.4 L more displacement, the same stock HP and a bit more torque than my 2001 5.9. I also have 3.55 the OP has 3.73's. He has a small tuner, I have a small chip.
So, on the freeway I seldom come out of OD, once doing 65+ the engine is in its sweet zone zone and will pull most hills at speed.
The 7.3, is a good engine, yea your 2014 has many more HP, but moving 12,000# down the road, uphills and down hills is not an issue, for my Cummins OR a 7.3 Cornbinder PowerStroke!
The OPs biggest issue will be slowing coming down hill, hence a PacBrake.
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rhagfo wrote:
Well 1.4 L more displacement, the same stock HP and a bit more torque than my 2001 5.9. I also have 3.55 the OP has 3.73's. He has a small tuner, I have a small chip.
So, on the freeway I seldom come out of OD, once doing 65+ the engine is in its sweet zone zone and will pull most hills at speed.
The 7.3, is a good engine, yea your 2014 has many more HP, but moving 12,000# down the road, uphills and down hills is not an issue, for my Cummins OR a 7.3 Cornbinder PowerStroke!
The OPs biggest issue will be slowing coming down hill, hence a PacBrake.
cummins2014 wrote:
I did look at your signature. Let me see if I get this, you are comparing a 5.9 cummins to a 7.3 And somehow you say he is good to go ?? I will ask again, how much have you towed with a F250 7.3 Superduty WITH 12K hooked up.
rhagfo wrote:
Look at my Signature! I tow an easy 11,000# with a Cummins 5.9 with a 50 hp, 150 lb. ft. chip, I also live in the PNW and pull hills at posted speeds with a 3.55 rear gear!
cummins2014 wrote:
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
rhagfo wrote:
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Install a PacBrake and you a are good to go!
Seriously, you towed much with the 7.3 F250 with 12K hooked up . You can install all the PacBrakes in the world, won't change anything but a bit better on the downgrades, but first you have to get to the top to go down the other side.
Good advice on the PacBrake, but totally bad advice on the good to go. There is nothing good to go towing 12K with a 7.3 .
Look at my Signature! I tow an easy 11,000# with a Cummins 5.9 with a 50 hp, 150 lb. ft. chip, I also live in the PNW and pull hills at posted speeds with a 3.55 rear gear!
I did look at your signature.
Let me see if I get this, you are comparing a 5.9 cummins to a 7.3 And somehow you say he is good to go ?? I will ask again, how much have you towed with a F250 7.3 Superduty WITH 12K hooked up.Well 1.4 L more displacement, the same stock HP and a bit more torque than my 2001 5.9. I also have 3.55 the OP has 3.73's. He has a small tuner, I have a small chip.
So, on the freeway I seldom come out of OD, once doing 65+ the engine is in its sweet zone zone and will pull most hills at speed.
The 7.3, is a good engine, yea your 2014 has many more HP, but moving 12,000# down the road, uphills and down hills is not an issue, for my Cummins OR a 7.3 Cornbinder PowerStroke!
The OPs biggest issue will be slowing coming down hill, hence a PacBrake.
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How many miles have you towed 12K OR more with a F250 FORD SUPERDUTY 7.3 . I towed thousands.I agree 100 percent on the PacBrake, but thats where it ends.
I have given my 16 years worth of experience with a 7.3 towing 12-13K. The OP is mostly likely going to do what he wants, and is looking for some validation. Unfortunately he is getting it from guys like you that think a 3/4 ton will tow anything. You see it everyday on the freeways. I'm just trying to tell him WHAT he needs to hear. I'm done with this thread.
cummins2014 wrote:
And what do think I am trying to say, you have the gears ,and a dually. I didn't think I would have to remind everyone that is raving about the 7.3 what the op has.
The OP's truck is a 250 with 3:73, and yet we are getting reply's like put on a PacBrake, and he is good to go. Thats crazy ,no he is not good to go. He is marginal at best. I did it for too long with a 7.3 to listen to some of these replies.
Stefonius wrote:
BigToe wrote:
Whenever reading how so called "under powered" or "slow" the 7.3L is when towing, bear in mind the axle ratio the person with the opinion had.
BigToe hit the nail on the head. I tow a 15k fiver with my 2003 F450 7.3. I don't have any issues with power, but I've got 4.88 gears in the back. I wouldn't want to do it with a 3.73 axle. I think that would be asking too much of my engine and transmission.Whenever reading how so called "under powered" or "slow" the 7.3L is when towing, bear in mind the axle ratio the person with the opinion had.
And what do think I am trying to say, you have the gears ,and a dually. I didn't think I would have to remind everyone that is raving about the 7.3 what the op has.
The OP's truck is a 250 with 3:73, and yet we are getting reply's like put on a PacBrake, and he is good to go. Thats crazy ,no he is not good to go. He is marginal at best. I did it for too long with a 7.3 to listen to some of these replies.
Well once again I will state Read My Signature!
2001 Dodge 2500 4X4, 5.9 Cummins, NV4500, 3.55's, Pacbrake PRXB, DS Power Puck,Bilstein 5100's, 292,000 miles.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GCVW 19,500#
I have 3.55's which means my engine has to work harder to move my 11,000#++ 5er.
I have a 2500 SRW, and we have no issues carrying, Pulling, and driving safely down roads like below, at the posted speed limit of 55, or easily 60+.
The OP will likely not be the first to the top of the hill, but won't be the last either!! I also have 200,000 mile on him for age of engine.
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* This post was edited 06/01/16 11:37am by rhagfo *
Second I’d like to clear the air as far as F350 or F250, And I am only speaking of the 99.5 – 2003 or 2004 year Superduty trucks. The spring packs are Coded different but some of the F250’s were optioned with the heavier packs (camper pkg and/or sever duty pks ) and in those cases the springs on the F250 are the same as the F350 mine happens to be optioned and I have confirmed that with the local ford dealer. And to save argument even if the spring are not the same changing out leaf springs for higher capacity sets is not rocket science along with the option to add Air Bags to the rear. Now with that said does that allow the truck to payload more (pin weight) yes, can it payload what a SRW F350 can yes. Can you do it legally, that’s another topic.
Do I want to spend 30K+ on a Newer Used or 50K+ on a new Cummins/Dmax or Powerstroke. Not really. Especially not when my truck only has 90k miles on it and it all works. I can work on it for the most part. The newer trucks are wallet suckers after the warranty is up. They will pull a house, at full hiway speed. But I also do not want to be the one towing up a grade at 30mph. When my truck is further up in miles I’ll trade up to a newer truck but it just doesn’t make sense to me now.
Originally I had looked at a 10090 dry weight, 2090 dry pin Full profile Fifth wheel. Those numbers when used against a F350 SRW even push it’s GVW, GCWR with very little room. I expected 1300lbs of gear.
I’ve reevaluated and have decided with that weight I really don’t want to pull that on a SRW truck anyway.
I’ve done some looking and have re-evaluated to a 8400 Dry weight, 1400 dry pin 5vr, that will put me in mid upper 9K range. And place my GCWR in 17-17.5k range.
I’m willing to drop some $$$ for intake, exhaust, Torque Converter, Valve body and guage pod setup, and gears if I need to 3.73 to 4.10 . (currently use the infinity to monitor all my EGT, Trans Temp etc.)
Even with all that it’s still far less than 30-50k for a new truck.