04 Silverado 2500HD 4x4 my limit is about 3800lb if I remember correctly. I have never owned a TC before only 5th wheels and the like, what all do I need to secure this properly ?
I have to agree wit 67Avion and AvionC-11 on the pricing points. I looked for three years and only came up with very abused units that had many holes and dents in the skin. After I offered a fair price for the condition that they were in and got turned down, I walked away.
It looks like the skin on the one that you are looking at is in very good condition. Even if all the wood has some rot in it, they can be repaired because the main shell seems to be intact.
Although, with a little ingenuity a Snap-n-Nap, on Amerigos, can be repaired. There was one fella that even took it out and put in a solid wall. He gutted the thing and completely renovated the interior and it looked like a new unit.
As for tying the thing to your truck, I am happy with my Happi-Jacs. I have hauled many campers on my dually and all of them tied down well with my H-J's.
Good Luck and welcome.
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I'll google up the happi-jacs thanks thats new to me.
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Avion C-11 wrote:
I bought mine about a year ago for $2000 and even thought it looked pretty good on initial inspection it needed everything. However, it was the best one I could find in that price range when I was looking. I think if your time horizon is long enough you should be able to find one with a decent shell but needing total resto for $1000. $1500 with working or easily fixable fridge and other appliances. $3000 for well used but fully functional. And sky is the limit on a fully restored one. There was a painted and clear coat C-10 going for 15k at one point.
Chris
67avion wrote:
I'm afraid with an almost 50 year old camper there is no such thing as a "slight leak". Assume that the rains of the past two decades have made their way into the camper. That's the bad news. The good news is that the Avion is relatively simple to repair. You take out all of the kitchen/closet area and you will see, precisely, where there is damage. Ditto with the other side of the coach. And ditto with the bathroom and floor. Its not rocket science. And the structure of the coach is so well put together that wood damage seldom causes other issues.
But, having said that, it does affect the price of the camper. Medium damage $1500-$2000. Extensive damage $500. No damage, the sky is the limit. I've heard of them trading for $10,000+ when in "perfect" condition.
What do they rest of you think the prices are running nowadays for an un-restored C-10 or C-11?
BlackFlag wrote:
They think it has a slight leak around the side window so I know there will be that to deal with but the question is how far does it go and how many unknown areas will I find?
They think it has a slight leak around the side window so I know there will be that to deal with but the question is how far does it go and how many unknown areas will I find?
I'm afraid with an almost 50 year old camper there is no such thing as a "slight leak". Assume that the rains of the past two decades have made their way into the camper. That's the bad news. The good news is that the Avion is relatively simple to repair. You take out all of the kitchen/closet area and you will see, precisely, where there is damage. Ditto with the other side of the coach. And ditto with the bathroom and floor. Its not rocket science. And the structure of the coach is so well put together that wood damage seldom causes other issues.
But, having said that, it does affect the price of the camper. Medium damage $1500-$2000. Extensive damage $500. No damage, the sky is the limit. I've heard of them trading for $10,000+ when in "perfect" condition.
What do they rest of you think the prices are running nowadays for an un-restored C-10 or C-11?
I bought mine about a year ago for $2000 and even thought it looked pretty good on initial inspection it needed everything. However, it was the best one I could find in that price range when I was looking. I think if your time horizon is long enough you should be able to find one with a decent shell but needing total resto for $1000. $1500 with working or easily fixable fridge and other appliances. $3000 for well used but fully functional. And sky is the limit on a fully restored one. There was a painted and clear coat C-10 going for 15k at one point.
Chris
Interesting question to ponder , what would be a reasonable price for one of this old jems in reasonably good/repaired/restored/ready to camp condition . Perfect is too subjective . Original condition perfect or owner rebuilt perfect ? Considering the amount of time and $$ spent bringing them back to life , hard to come up with a value .
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If you look at the window/bunk juncture you can see that the skin has buckled because of a rotten bunk area. If you look above the front of the window you can see where the skin up there has crinkled too. It took a pretty big movement of the cab over to make that damage and I would be worried about structural damage to the rib and possibly having to replace a major piece of skin on the side of the camper.
The wings and other stuff are fixable. It looks like the floor in the back is messed up too so you will have to completely remove everything from the camper and start from scratch. If you look through my pics you will see that I did the same thing. That might give you an idea of what you will have to do.
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A lot depends on your expectations and how much of a project you are looking for . I imagine the price is on the low side .
The patch on the skin looks like where the WH use to be.
Something is going on with the cabover judging by the crinkle over the window .
All of the overhead cabinets seem to be there , 2 of the doors will need replacement .
None of the lower cabinets are there , the interior has been revised considerably , the sink has been moved , etc..
Someone changed over to a 4 jack system from a 3 .
The bottom of the floor looks decent from the picture.
The only appliance left is the frig , if it works , that I can see.
Personally I'd be in the $500-700 tops.
I don't think that buckle affected the rib, the rivets all look intact with no signs of ripping.
Dennis
Most of the bathroom panels are there but not all and none of them connected anymore. The passenger side jack is kicked in at an angle and caused a stretch on that wing giving almost a 1" gap in the skirting. I am glad to see the guard is still in place under the back stair you could not see it from the for sale pics.
Only the face of the large cabinet is intact, everything behind it is rotten or broken off, I looked in the door under the old fridge vent and there is some folded cloth or something waded up to support the shelf.. its a mess
Overall I can manage it in this condition and figure I could get the base wood replaced quickly enough to have a bare-bones unit ready by the time I need it in Sept.
I think the poor guy was expecting me to be happier with its condition but as I rattled off everything I saw that was missing and the 15 things at a glance that needed to be replaced he understood I wasn't getting anywhere near his starting price.
I'll send him an email next week if I don't get a call back first. $500 beats the heck outa nothing.