'68 Avion C-11
'02 GMC DRW D/A flatbed
I then embarked on a search for the appropriate seals. The web provided some names. Ticki2 helped with his experiences. Vintage Trailer has some useful seals but frankly, their customer service left much to be desired. Poorly informed and not very helpful.
I ordered samples from everyone. Surprisingly, Vintage doesn't do samples, just minimum orders. I ordered... Anyway, when I had received all samples, I tried out the various combinations and came up with workable pieces. Some from Vintage, some from Pelland Enterprises Inc. I can give you particulars and part numbers if you wish.
I found the Hehr model numbers on all the windows but this didn't really help as there is no cross reference I could find. I'm thinking I should send everything I learned to the guy who runs Vintage and encourage him to stock it all. The seals are all available, just not in one place! Actually that's not entirely true. I couldn't find a seal for the small panes in the operating windows. I had to glaze them using silicone sealant. It worked well. I also painted over the black anodizing on those operable windows to match the aluminum fixed windows. Then I reinstalled using Olympic rivets and a heavy duty marine bedding tape. I had also taken the inside window trim pieces, made of that yellow vinyl-covered aluminum stock, and duplicated them using satin finish aluminum stock formed on a 36" metal bending brake from Harbor Freight. It all came out looking clean and fresh.
Let me know if you want seal part numbers and such and I'll try to create a list for you.
I will say that having clear glass, not plastic, windows is fabulous! Such a difference!
Dick
D1trout wrote:
69, with my side windows, I drilled out all the rivets and took out the window assemblies. Then I removed the keeper rings from the hinges, unscrewed the screws In the corners of the windows and pulled the frames apart, labeling each so I would know what went where and with whom! I then soaked all the frame components in a citrus solvent to get them nice and clean.
I then embarked on a search for the appropriate seals. The web provided some names. Ticki2 helped with his experiences. Vintage Trailer has some useful seals but frankly, their customer service left much to be desired. Poorly informed and not very helpful.
I ordered samples from everyone. Surprisingly, Vintage doesn't do samples, just minimum orders. I ordered... Anyway, when I had received all samples, I tried out the various combinations and came up with workable pieces. Some from Vintage, some from Pelland Enterprises Inc. I can give you particulars and part numbers if you wish.
I found the Hehr model numbers on all the windows but this didn't really help as there is no cross reference I could find. I'm thinking I should send everything I learned to the guy who runs Vintage and encourage him to stock it all. The seals are all available, just not in one place! Actually that's not entirely true. I couldn't find a seal for the small panes in the operating windows. I had to glaze them using silicone sealant. It worked well. I also painted over the black anodizing on those operable windows to match the aluminum fixed windows. Then I reinstalled using Olympic rivets and a heavy duty marine bedding tape. I had also taken the inside window trim pieces, made of that yellow vinyl-covered aluminum stock, and duplicated them using satin finish aluminum stock formed on a 36" metal bending brake from Harbor Freight. It all came out looking clean and fresh.
Let me know if you want seal part numbers and such and I'll try to create a list for you.
I will say that having clear glass, not plastic, windows is fabulous! Such a difference!
Dick
69, with my side windows, I drilled out all the rivets and took out the window assemblies. Then I removed the keeper rings from the hinges, unscrewed the screws In the corners of the windows and pulled the frames apart, labeling each so I would know what went where and with whom! I then soaked all the frame components in a citrus solvent to get them nice and clean.
I then embarked on a search for the appropriate seals. The web provided some names. Ticki2 helped with his experiences. Vintage Trailer has some useful seals but frankly, their customer service left much to be desired. Poorly informed and not very helpful.
I ordered samples from everyone. Surprisingly, Vintage doesn't do samples, just minimum orders. I ordered... Anyway, when I had received all samples, I tried out the various combinations and came up with workable pieces. Some from Vintage, some from Pelland Enterprises Inc. I can give you particulars and part numbers if you wish.
I found the Hehr model numbers on all the windows but this didn't really help as there is no cross reference I could find. I'm thinking I should send everything I learned to the guy who runs Vintage and encourage him to stock it all. The seals are all available, just not in one place! Actually that's not entirely true. I couldn't find a seal for the small panes in the operating windows. I had to glaze them using silicone sealant. It worked well. I also painted over the black anodizing on those operable windows to match the aluminum fixed windows. Then I reinstalled using Olympic rivets and a heavy duty marine bedding tape. I had also taken the inside window trim pieces, made of that yellow vinyl-covered aluminum stock, and duplicated them using satin finish aluminum stock formed on a 36" metal bending brake from Harbor Freight. It all came out looking clean and fresh.
Let me know if you want seal part numbers and such and I'll try to create a list for you.
I will say that having clear glass, not plastic, windows is fabulous! Such a difference!
Dick
Dick,
If you could post the seal numbers that you used, that would be great. I don't think that I'm the only one that needs to do it. I know Ticki2 did a real nice job on his window rebuild. He used the plixiglas as I recall.
So you used clear glass (tempered)on the sides also? I thought the side windows had a slight curve to them. How well did the glass bow in the frame?
Thanks
Ford F-350 4x4 Diesel
1988 Avion Triple Axle Trailer
1969 Avion C-11 Camper
I like the way the windows came out, what paint/color did you use, it looks like a perfect match.
Dennis
The paint I used is a Rustoleum spray called Painters Touch 2X Ultra Cover Paint and Primer. The color is Metallic Aluminum. I sprayed on several coats. I tried several different colors and brands and this proved to be the closest match. Unless you get up close and study it, you'd not know it was painted. I'm thinking I may use it on the fiberglass bustle.
As far as the curve in the window glass to accommodate the curve in the side of the shell, the tempered glass will curve a bit, certainly enough to fit in the window frames easily.
Dick
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It's been very wet here lately (approximately 12 inches of rain since the start of the year), which is slowing progress for me. I'll be back to working the day shift come June, so I should be able to start contributing again.
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Here's the pic describing what I used:
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I found that I could not get the seal for the operating window to fit into the frame and seat properly. I had gotten the sample to seat but the full length piece was too much, so I ended up glazing the operating windows with silicone from a tube. Messy but looks pretty solid. The other seal, for the fixed windows, was perfect. The others were the two gray silicone rubber ones from VTS. They are a slightly different design from the original but I like them and feel confident about their performance. Here's a picture of a window with both the drip and the jalousie seals in place. Note the two jalousie seals, one vertical and one horizontal.
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Here's a pic of a window assembly taken apart:
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For what it's worth, the fixed window frames are Hehr C2199 series. The operable windows are Hehr C4299 series. Both series have different suffixes depending on the dimensions. I haven't found any reference table that will let you use these numbers to determine seals, but it's worth noting, I suppose. Perhaps the guy who started VTS will take this info and do something with it. I think Hehr has been supplying RV windows for a very long time.
Incidentally, I had the remove the entire window assemblies on the side and front windows but on the rear jalousie window, I found I could get the three panes of glass and the old seals out and then replacing everything without taking the whole window out. Perhaps you guys with older units will be able to do this as well on the side windows...
I hope this proves to be useful info.
Onward!
Dick