As for the shower pan, I have nothing to start with, but just like my son welded up a 14gal grey water tank, I hope to have him weld up an aluminum shower pan, and a second 14 gal grey water tank. This would result in 40 gal fresh, 28+ gallon gray (probably closer to 30 gal due to all the piping) and 7 gal black. But before you criticize the black, there is no flushing water used to flush. Just the initial charge of 3 gallons water and chemical. We have gone a whole week with our family of 6 before needing a dump. But that is using other facilities during the day as they are available.
Two things to consider on grey water. Unless you have rebuilt the rear wings and floor, you may need additional support to carry a tank and the water weight. Remember 8 lbs per gallon static weight. Additionally that us all weight behind the rear axle if you are squeezing it in the rear 2-3 ft. The other thought is to consider building a sub-frame under the camper. It does add some weight, but the PO of my TC replaced the entire floor, and used 3/4" plywood, but under that are 2x4's on edge. This was great to allow the C10 to clear my F350 Superduty roof. This is why I can include 2 14gal tanks in the void under the floor all forward of the rear axle! It is tight, and it adds some piping runs, but it works!
Just a few ore ideas to throw into the mix...
Garry
Garry K
Wife + 4 kids
Retired Military Family.... Alway's on the move....
2002 F350 CCSB 5.4 6spd 4x4 in AK
1966 Avion C-10 Truck Camper
Just about to put the bird in the oven! Happy Thanksgiving all.
Dick
D1trout wrote:
Gents, what's the capacity of the original tank back there under the bath? My plan is to not use a black water tank at all, just gray, which can be piped out into the ground when rustic camping, our preferred venue. I'm going to use a PortaPotty. I don't know whether I'll add greater gray water capacity or simply go with the factory tank - although as I plan to increase fresh water capacity, perhaps doing the same with gray makes sense. My underbody framework will be constructed of 1.5" aluminum square tubing, so I doubt weight will be an issue.
Just about to put the bird in the oven! Happy Thanksgiving all.
Dick
Gents, what's the capacity of the original tank back there under the bath? My plan is to not use a black water tank at all, just gray, which can be piped out into the ground when rustic camping, our preferred venue. I'm going to use a PortaPotty. I don't know whether I'll add greater gray water capacity or simply go with the factory tank - although as I plan to increase fresh water capacity, perhaps doing the same with gray makes sense. My underbody framework will be constructed of 1.5" aluminum square tubing, so I doubt weight will be an issue.
Just about to put the bird in the oven! Happy Thanksgiving all.
Dick
The original black water tank on the C-11 is about 12 gallons. I was able to design my stainless steel black water tank to hold 20 gallons. My stainless steel gray water tank also holds about 20 gallons.
Ford F-350 4x4 Diesel
1988 Avion Triple Axle Trailer
1969 Avion C-11 Camper
D1trout wrote:
69, are both your tanks in the back?
69, are both your tanks in the back?
Yes they are. You can see them on pages 54, 55, 66, 69, 70 and 72.
I changed out the original 30 gallon fresh water tank to a 40 gallon tank since I don't have a battery in the camper anymore.
Also, as Annie insists that the camper be finished bright, I'm musing on how best to strip the anodizing off. Tim expressed the view that if it's in good shape, don't do it. Mine is in good shape but I value my wife's good spirits highly, so it will come off...
A fellow was soda blasting a car body and frame near where I'm working on the Avion and tells me he can get the anodizing off in a single day and at a very reasonable cost. My question is do any of you have any experience with soda blasting the Avion aluminum panels and whether the outcome is suitable for polishing w/o working up thru many grades of polish? I don't want to create an bigger job by soda blasting than using Easy Off or it's equivalent (tho frankly that seems impossible judging from the Easy Off accounts). Glad for your thoughts.
Dick
'68 Avion C-11
'02 GMC DRW D/A flatbed
D1trout wrote:
Gents, I have been disassembling the fiberglass tub at the radar of my camper. The original caulking is in remarkably solid condition: still elastic and well attached in many places. Can you tell me which of the several brands mentioned on this forum it is? It' appears dark gray on the inside and dull silver on the outside.
Also, as Annie insists that the camper be finished bright, I'm musing on how best to strip the anodizing off. Tim expressed the view that if it's in good shape, don't do it. Mine is in good shape but I value my wife's good spirits highly, so it will come off...
A fellow was soda blasting a car body and frame near where I'm working on the Avion and tells me he can get the anodizing off in a single day and at a very reasonable cost. My question is do any of you have any experience with soda blasting the Avion aluminum panels and whether the outcome is suitable for polishing w/o working up thru many grades of polish? I don't want to create an bigger job by soda blasting than using Easy Off or it's equivalent (tho frankly that seems impossible judging from the Easy Off accounts). Glad for your thoughts.
Dick
Gents, I have been disassembling the fiberglass tub at the radar of my camper. The original caulking is in remarkably solid condition: still elastic and well attached in many places. Can you tell me which of the several brands mentioned on this forum it is? It' appears dark gray on the inside and dull silver on the outside.
Also, as Annie insists that the camper be finished bright, I'm musing on how best to strip the anodizing off. Tim expressed the view that if it's in good shape, don't do it. Mine is in good shape but I value my wife's good spirits highly, so it will come off...
A fellow was soda blasting a car body and frame near where I'm working on the Avion and tells me he can get the anodizing off in a single day and at a very reasonable cost. My question is do any of you have any experience with soda blasting the Avion aluminum panels and whether the outcome is suitable for polishing w/o working up thru many grades of polish? I don't want to create an bigger job by soda blasting than using Easy Off or it's equivalent (tho frankly that seems impossible judging from the Easy Off accounts). Glad for your thoughts.
Dick
Unless you have major problems with the anodized aluminum, I wouldn't try to polish it. C-11 did it on his (see this thread) and he used oven cleaner to get the anodizing off. It looks great when he was done with it, but he probably spent more time polishing his, than I did fixing my entire camper. Remember, once you polish it, you will need to continue to polish it, forever. The anodizing is a protective, hardened surface that is more durable than plain aluminum.
1969 AVION
3/4 12 VALVE
Freightliner/24' Flatbed 50,000 miles/ Titan 4000 receiver Hitch, no Mods needed.