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sleepy

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I get fussed at for staying in Walmarts... for avoiding smokey, nasty camp grounds with noisy people...

There are near perfect place to park overnight as we travel cross country.

Find the level spot, just pull the blinds... honey, we're home!

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....we've boondocked at several Cabella's over the years (western US, not the Eastern locales...yet). Very nice to stay at.


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Waking up to see a clear sky is good... I think this was the rainest October that I can remember. We know that it won't last long. Janet follows the weather... I follow earth quakes.

Traveling is made simplier... iPhone Apps, iPad apps... weather, maps, closest resturant, hopital or park

I have used Street Atlas Plus for years... my last version is 2010. The "plus" was almost every landline phone number in the US and Canada... with directions on how to get there.

Most of the people that I know have now dumped their land lines... everyone including businesses have cell phones. Hospitals and banks can easily be found on the cell phone search engines.

There aren't that many streets being rerouted or built new... I doubt that I'll be upgrading the Street Atlas soon.

Look at that sky... time to move.

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...there is a MASSIVE prehistoric city being excavated, called the East St Louis Mounds; this site is, "...the largest prehistoric dig in North America. It’s one of the biggest contiguous sites of a Mississippian city ever excavated."

I think virtually all the mound sites in the US were once connected...

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silversand wrote:

...there is a MASSIVE prehistoric city being excavated, called the East St Louis Mounds; this site is, "...the largest prehistoric dig in North America. It’s one of the biggest contiguous sites of a Mississippian city ever excavated."

I think virtually all the mound sites in the US were once connected...


Thank you, this will definately be on our bucket list.

I had always assumed that the mounds were burial grounds, religious sites, or high ground when neighboring tribes were raiding.

But after seeing many of them it occurs to me that there might be a more basic reason: To be able to take refuge from flooding rivers.

Water is important for drinking, cooking, irrigation, fishing, hunting, and transportation... when you have thousands of people you need to be close to a lot of water... big rivers.

But... there is always the risk of floods... the Mississiooi River Valley is too wide to to find high ground to survive until the flood waters recede. All of the reasons that I mentioned above might have played a part but... survival was probably the motivation to carry a million baskets of dirt to build one mound.

Cahokia Mounds east of St Lewis

Most of the mounds we have visited have been close to major river flood plains. One noteable exception is high above the Mississippi River: Effigy Mounds, in Iowa The effigy mounds are very large earth works shaped like birds and animals... some so large that they are hard to see from the ground.

We were there while on our 6 1/2 moth North American loop in 2007.

Now, for an excuse to come back through St Louis again... this year maybe.... thanks Silver.

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You are most welcome. I can't wait to see your documentary photos as you investigate these sites.

From what i have read, mounds were built up over time using the detritus of centuries of broken tools and various garbage; built up, andhuge wooden structures were built over top (like kind of wood pyramids, but narrower and very tall: lookouts? Signal relay?). I never thout about the utility of refuge from seasonal flooding. Makes perfect sense!

I still have that unfinished business with those data points in florida sink hole region to attend to...

* This post was edited 03/16/14 06:48pm by silversand *

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sleepy wrote:

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But after seeing many of them it occurs to me that there might be a more basic reason: To be able to take refuge from flooding rivers.

Water is important for drinking, cooking, irrigation, fishing, hunting, and transportation... when you have thousands of people you need to be close to a lot of water... big rivers.

But... there is always the risk of floods... the Mississiooi River Valley is too wide to to find high ground to survive until the flood waters recede. All of the reasons that I mentioned above might have played a part but... survival was probably the motivation to carry a million baskets of dirt to build one mound............



This has been my theory for many years. I don't recall ever reading this in any publication. Those people lived in those locations and travelled only on foot therefore could not quickly move away from a flooding river. A good example would be the Tennessee river prior to being tamed by TVA.

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I knew there are some mounds in Tennessee but I didn't know how close by until I got a call at work from an archeologist looking for topographic mapping of the Mound Bottom area in Cheatham County. Had to do a search on the internet but once I knew where to look a large mound was quite obvious on the topo map. This mound was protected by the State in 1973. There are others in the area but they're on private land.

As far as mounds being a refuge from flood waters, it's possible but for this mound on the Harpeth River probably not very likely. Although the mound is in a floodplain there is a lot of natural high ground nearby.


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jcmckelvy

This has been my theory for many years. I don't recall ever reading this in any publication. Those people lived in those locations and travelled only on foot therefore could not quickly move away from a flooding river. A good example would be the Tennessee river prior to being tamed by TVA.

Really enjoy riding along with you on your adventures.

Thank you for the support and compliment.


GoinThisAway wrote:

I knew there are some mounds in Tennessee but I didn't know how close by until I got a call at work from an archeologist looking for topographic mapping of the Mound Bottom area in Cheatham County. Had to do a search on the internet but once I knew where to look a large mound was quite obvious on the topo map. This mound was protected by the State in 1973. There are others in the area but they're on private land.

As far as mounds being a refuge from flood waters, it's possible but for this mound on the Harpeth River probably not very likely. Although the mound is in a floodplain there is a lot of natural high ground nearby.


And thank you for the tip on mounds in Tennessee.
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I thought about what is the first thing people do when they are about to get flooded out of their homes in modern times? 2014.

They try to protect their home and possesions. Sand bags, putting stuff in the attic, anywhere high.

If there is a flash flood they get on the roof....

It they have time to seek high ground and have to leave their home and possesions behind... they take their photographs, their medicines, any records if possible, valuables.

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Were the mound builders any different? Did they want to lose their possessions?

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Why did the mound builders bury their dead in mounds above the flood plains.... ask the modern day folks in New Orleans and Lake Charles why their dead are in Crypts above ground (I do realize some are buried in the swampy grounds)

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I think I'll hang on to the idea that a lot of people climbing a mound is better than a lot of people climbing a few trees.

It pays to be prepared.

It would be interesting to look back in time at the topography and the river channels... there has been a lot of errosion since then.


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We headed back to the boat ramp... checking on the new bridge, used the dump station, fill up with potable water.

here we are parked in the sun to let the PVSolar panels top off the batteries.

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