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Fezziwig wrote:Nevertheless, after all the political posturing, it remains that 'drill drill drill' will not solve our energy problems.
Neither will 'solar solar solar' solve our energy problems. Nor will 'wind wind wind' solve any problems. No one thing will solve this countries energy problems, and anybody that believes solar or wind or anything else by itself will are idiots. That includes people of the ilk of Reid, Pelosi, Pickens, et al. Not wind, solar, conservation, oil, coal, hydro, nuclear, natural gas nothing by itself, you need it all. For people who don't think they will need it all to solve America's energy problems, I refer you back to the word idiots.
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Isn't that what I just said?
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I am more than willing to dedicate a larger portion of our national debt to further R&D on renewable energy. Makes sense for U.S companies with government stimulation to try to lead the way.
I don't want the world to rely on fossil fuels forever. (Don't think it will last forever.) When we are all dead and gone, the world may very well be running on hydrogen, wind, solar or a combo of "renewables".
Look 10 to 20 years down the road. Can you honestly say the renewable "dream" will come true. I can't. So, we will need lots and lots of oil and more coal.
My main point is you can't guaranty the wind, sun and hydrogen will be the answer --nobody can. You can’t guaranty the price will be right. Even today’s energy costs are still more competitive than the best renewable out there.
I can show you 100 years of unprecedented growth, a phenomenal explosion of growth, that was made possible by FOSSIL fuel. That continued growth, primarily in "third world” emergent economies doesn't look like it is going to reverse or even slow down.
It makes too much sense to allow U.S. companies to get a piece of that action. Maybe that’s hard to swallow for some. You know, “Can’t let big oil (or King Coal) make even bigger bucks.” So, we’ll let other nation’s big oil make it all. Why stand by and enrich the rest of the world at our expense? We’re sending too many energy dollars overseas now.
The argument has been made that foreign interests will make money off of our drilling anyway, so we shouldn't do it. Well, I say better to take half a loaf rather then NONE.
The world will burn XXXXXX amount of oil and coal in the next 50 years. That, you can take to the bank.
Even if the magic bullet of renewable is discovered tomorrow, the price will not be “right” and the service and support will not be universal throughout the developing world for a long time. They will choose fossil fuels long after the developed world has transitioned to renewables.
So, I stand by my mantra of drill here, drill now for the next 50 years (and probably beyond).
I’m not so caught up in the oil and coal economy to say that we shouldn’t pursue alternatives.
Too many in the alternative crowd ARE caught up in their altruistic dream of pollution-free cheap energy NOW!
I wish it were here now, but its not.
Oil is, and we have it under our soil and oceans. Let's go get some!!!
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Over the weekend PGE announced a new solar facility to be built near San Luis Obispo with about 800mw output, similar to a small nuke facility or large coal generator. Privately financed, requires no federal subsidies. But to compete on a level playing field against legacy generators the tax credit must be extended. Right now it is only extended year by year, and investors would like a longer term stability.
Competitively priced solar electricity can reduce demand on oil and , perhaps, result in lower gas costs for RVs.
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mrjimboalaska
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Fezziwig wrote:
Competitively priced solar electricity can reduce demand on oil and , perhaps, result in lower gas costs for RVs.
Earth to Fezz.....we are not using OIL to produce our Electricity....
How is this going to Lower the price of Gas? I'm all for Solar, but Solar power DOES NOT build roads, make plastics, make TIRES for our cars, transport our consumer goods coast to coast, fuel Jet engines, Ships, lubricants, cosmetics, and the list goes on. Nuclear Power is THE CHEAPEST form of electricity we have. period. It does'nt go well with the green agenda, but WHO CARES.....I'm for ALL forms of Energy.
DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW, PAY LESS....and I don't care if it means .02 cents, like your favorite Representative CLAIMS....we need OIL NOW, and WILL NEED OIL 100 YEARS FROM NOW......
DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW, PAY LESS.....
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mrjimboalaska wrote:Fezziwig wrote:
Competitively priced solar electricity can reduce demand on oil and , perhaps, result in lower gas costs for RVs.
Earth to Fezz.....we are not using OIL to produce our Electricity....
Think pluggable hybrids. You know, replacing petrol powered autos.
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How is this going to Lower the price of Gas? I'm all for Solar, but Solar power DOES NOT build roads, make plastics, make TIRES for our cars, transport our consumer goods coast to coast, fuel Jet engines, Ships, lubricants, cosmetics, and the list goes on.
Right! So oil should be preferentially allocated to these sectors, not to mere autos.
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Nuclear Power is THE CHEAPEST form of electricity we have. period.
Only when the taxpayers pay for construction, toxic storage and liability insurance.
How many nukes have been privately capitalized?
Let's see, who uses nukes? Russia, North Korea, France.
Nukes are beloved of socialists and communists who can impose the taxes and nuisance on compliant peasants.
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...and WILL NEED OIL 100 YEARS FROM NOW......
All the more reason to conserve oil by supplanting unnecessary uses with alternative energy so we still have it!
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I can't take this anymore. Fezzzywiggg or whatever is where he belongs; in Pelosi country, as far left as you can go. The best way to handle him is to ignore him, maybe he will go away.
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Left? I'm AGAINST the collectivized oil oligopoly made up of the unholy combination of overprivileged oil companies and the government that facilitates their oppression.
I want to distribute power downward from the remote power centers that would stamp out individuals and small operators.
Every time we grant oil leases on the current unfavorable terms to remote foreign entities with no specific promise of payoff is another step on The Road To Serfdom.
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mrjimboalaska
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oh man, why don't we just switch the conversation to owning your "Strawman" and how the Government sells our birth Certificate whe you are born.......
Meanwhile, I will continue to enjoy my Alaska PFD.........
DRILL HERE DRILL NOW PAY LESS!
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AO_hitech
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Fezziwig wrote:All we can do is grant leases to foreigners who MAY drill sometime in the future at their convenience, which is not expected to be before 20 years, and the price reduction will be NEGLIGIBLE.
Since it's speculators that are driving the prive up simply awarding drilling contracts COULD have a HUGE impact on prices. But, controlling the speculators would be a more direct, and better, approach.
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