winkyb
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Railroad stock all ways gos up when diesel fuel does.I made 31 years with one of the bigger ones.But they can`t get food and other things to your local store.
The raolroad was doing every thing they could to save fuel 15 to 20 years ago.
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lwmuddy
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macira wrote:Diesel is an interesting subject. Let us look at how the railroads mostly died.
A given amount of diesel consumed on rail is much more efficient than consumed by truck. I think the Unions and to some extent the Gov did in the railroads. I do think they are slowly coming back as freight haulers.
Read the history of railroads in California. They were killed purposely to make room for cars, buses and Firestone was involved to sell tires.
No conspiracies ay? Why are people afraid to admit to conspiracies?
Change the word Conspiracy to "Means to an End". Feel better now?
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Hurricaner
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Quote:Diesel is a byproduct of refined gas. There is no way it should cost more than gas in the first place.
This has been hashed over a million times here and it still ain't true. It all comes from a barrel of oil. You could just as easily say that gas is a byproduct of diesel.
As a matter of fact one of the reasons the the internal combustion engine became so popular is gasoline was a byproduct of kerosene, which was used for lamps, and was therefore very cheap.
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Hurricaner wrote:Quote:Diesel is a byproduct of refined gas. There is no way it should cost more than gas in the first place.
This has been hashed over a million times here and it still ain't true. It all comes from a barrel of oil. You could just as easily say that gas is a byproduct of diesel.
As a matter of fact one of the reasons the the internal combustion engine became so popular is gasoline was a byproduct of kerosene, which was used for lamps, and was therefore very cheap.
Sam
LOL, yep I always got a kick out of that by-product comment as well. Never no such thing that I know of, it comes from oil and it sells.
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macira wrote:Was the previous speed limit deal a big winner? No just a goofy idea then as well as now.
Highway fatalities dropped by a noticeable amount. I'd call that a very big winner. Had crude oil not dropped to $10-$15 a barrel, the speed limit might have stayed at 55.
As a transport driver who uses his own one-ton diesel to haul RV's, I can tell you that we are saving over $1300 a month in fuel costs by slowing to 55mph, from 70mph, driving an average of 10,000 miles per month. That's significant savings.
Most highway patrol officers will tell you that over 90% of traffic fatalities are a result of excessive speed. Yet all the people who are ticketed for speeding will tell you they didn't feel their speed was excessive. They feel that others are going to slow and they are forced to make sudden lane changes and bob-and-weave through traffic, tailgate, and cut off other drivers. I use to drive way too fast when I was younger but I now support slower speed limits. We should do all we can to conserve fuel.
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RetiredArmy wrote:I can remember the Arab oil embargo of the 70's. President Nixon asked all Americans to conserve. America did. What happened? Everything went up in price because Americans were not spending and conserving energy, etc. It was a lose-lose situation. Adding taxes to the already burdened taxpayer is foolish. Adding more taxes to big oil would push up the prices at the pump and rich will still get richer. Larry G.
The oil embargo in the 70's was a big farce. At the time I was living in a large harbor town with humongous fuel storage tanks. All the tanks were filled, and loaded tankers were sitting in the harbor with gasoline and diesel. The thing was, there was no place to put the Fuel. On the other hand you had to sit in line to get a few gallons of gas if you could find a station that had a little gas to sell and was open for an Hr or so. what you see right now is fabricated to benefit a certain few.
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Strawfoot wrote:macira wrote:Was the previous speed limit deal a big winner? No just a goofy idea then as well as now.
Highway fatalities dropped by a noticeable amount. I'd call that a very big winner. Had crude oil not dropped to $10-$15 a barrel, the speed limit might have stayed at 55.
As a transport driver who uses his own one-ton diesel to haul RV's, I can tell you that we are saving over $1300 a month in fuel costs by slowing to 55mph, from 70mph, driving an average of 10,000 miles per month. That's significant savings.
Most highway patrol officers will tell you that over 90% of traffic fatalities are a result of excessive speed. Yet all the people who are ticketed for speeding will tell you they didn't feel their speed was excessive. They feel that others are going to slow and they are forced to make sudden lane changes and bob-and-weave through traffic, tailgate, and cut off other drivers. I use to drive way too fast when I was younger but I now support slower speed limits. We should do all we can to conserve fuel.
Strawfoot
When it was 55 it mint people drove around 65 to 70 in place of now 80 to 90.But you could drive the right lane and be with the traffic.I notice that now like you some drivers are staying 55 to 65.And I just pick them and ran with them most of the time our last two trips.I know some states still have a 55 limit for trailers any way.It would not bother me to see it again.What is funny is most of the same ones that pass you will pass you again some where down the road.If you drive very far on like I 95 or any interstate.
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We left Boca Raton, FL at the end of the month. We stayed a couple of days in Titusville, a couple in St. Augustine, same in Hilton Head. Having WAY too much fun. Gas here in NC (wife wanted to see a miniature museum in High Point) is "only" 3.81!! We are getting about 8mpg @ 55. Generator is killing us (wife doesn't want the cats to get too hot ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") ) as it runs and runs... dropping apparent mileage as low as 5.5mpg!
Is it worth it all at 4 bucks agallon? Of course!
We see few RVs on the road. We saw tons more last summer on our Texas trip. Parks have lots of room (we got a beautiful waterfront site in Hilton Head and pulled in nose first for a fantastic view) which isn't bad.
At 55 we have passed NOBODY! Trucks seem to be running 60mph. Probably could get better mileage drafting behind them, but driving 55 is really calming and stress-free. Remember that constant hold up to pass the self-appointed speed monitors and cellphone yackers? Speed up, slow down, get stuck behind someone and every inconsiderate person zooms up so you can't get around? Not a problem. I just stay in the slow lane and putt along. My Tom-Tom says we are running 55 when our speedo says 57... Unfortunately, it started saying the time is an hour too soon yesterday, so unless the Carolinas have moved East one time zone I trust it a bit less!
Get out here!!
Life is good here.
Accidently heard the news at Hardees yesterday. Yikes! Turn that noise off!
I think I don't need my blood pressure pills anymore. Gas prices aren't bothering us! Life is too short too stay home. Guy asked us where we are "going" and we said Michigan. He asked how long it takes and we said, "Ten days- so far." He about fell over. The guy at the resort at Hilton Head asked where we were going next when we checked in. We didn't have a clue. We hooked up wi-fi for the first time and found this miniatures place for the wife. She was in heaven (me, not so much). I guess it is about time we figure out where we are going tomorrow...
Can't wait for every day's new adventure.
(If y'all ever get to High Point NC, watch out! Seems every driveway has a new groove cut in by our trailer hitch ball bolt! Funny, we didn't drag anywhere else but today we drug and drug and...)
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Power Stroker wrote:what you see right now is fabricated to benefit a certain few.
You talk to ten people and you get ten different theories about who is to blame for fuel prices. It's either the politicians, gas companies, speculators, or some other group trying to make money.
Isn't it just possible that the demand for crude oil has finally surpassed the maximum output. That's what is being said and nobody is buying it. You look at all the countries in the world who import oil and how much oil they are importing, and you see a graph that has a rather steep curve going up and up. Yet the output of crude oil around the world stays constant at 84 million barrels a day. Is economics 101 no longer being taught in school?
So when there isn't enough of something to go around, what will happen? What has to happen? Anyone?
When China and India and the U.S. and Europe are told they will only receive 75% of what they want and need, the result is completely predictable. Citizens will want to find someone to blame. Politicians will tell them who to blame. People will complain but make little or no sacrifices. Politicians will do little to solve the actual problem. Prices will continue to rise. People will react in the worst way possible; they will ask the government to take over the business of selling fuel and at the same time they will hoard whatever they can get their hands on. Still others will say they don't care what the price is because they are going to pay it and continue using as much as they like while traveling around in an RV getting 5mpg. But at some point we will all come to realize this situation is anything but fabricated.
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macira
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Strawfoot.. Supply and demand are neat words to use..But thingss are are worth what they cost to produce plus a reasonable profit. Oil at it's current price does not fit that scenario. If you want to substitute "charge what you can get" for supply and demand, I'll buy your story.
If you check around a bit you will find there still is production above demand.
It may not continue to be so but at the moment it is. Price now is based on betting on what you can sell for. Price control is not needed but gambling control is needed. I think the ante for the bet should be increased dramatically.
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