Lauren
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Hey, Desert Captain, where are you getting $1.89? Best I have seen is Costco at $1.98. Don't come near Green Valley - can be $2.50 for regular. Hope is stays down - we leave on 7/19 for 70 days on the road.
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jyrostng
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Murphy gas $1.91 in Cedar Hill Texas, I applied for and got this card. For this summer RVing, this credit card saves .15c a gallon till September 5th -- https://www.firstbankcard.com/murphy/lp/lto/index2.html
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Regular is going for $1.99 with diesel at $2.35 here in Tucson.
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LindsayRichards
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Saw $1.97 yesterday. Looks like OPIEC is finally out of the drivers seat thanks to American ingenuity for inventing horizontal drilling and fracking.
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LindsayRichards wrote:Saw $1.97 yesterday. Looks like OPIEC is finally out of the drivers seat thanks to American ingenuity for inventing horizontal drilling and fracking.
Horizontal drilling and fracking have absolutely nothing to do with the production of oil which is made into gas. The problems of fracking, little things like generating man made earthquakes and the pollution of fresh water supplies, are hardly worth the increase in production of natural gas.
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WILDEBILL308
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Gas prices at Kroger near me was $1.89 and diesel was $1.98. I used my Kroger points and got 35 gal of diesel for $0.989. Love my kroger points wish it was more than a 35 gal max.
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LindsayRichards
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Quote:Horizontal drilling and fracking have absolutely nothing to do with the production of oil which is made into gas. The problems of fracking, little things like generating man made earthquakes and the pollution of fresh water supplies, are hardly worth the increase in production of natural gas. Natural gas is does not come from oil. Fracking supplies over 50% of the US's oil and over 65%of our natural gas. You use both every day. Please link to a single aquifer contaminated by the fracking of the 1.6 MILLION wells fracked in the last 65 year. The earthquakes you are talking about are from production water that comes up with the oil and is reinjected back into the deep strata a mile below any aquifer.
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tomman58
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LindsayRichards wrote:Saw $1.97 yesterday. Looks like OPIEC is finally out of the drivers seat thanks to American ingenuity for inventing horizontal drilling and fracking.
Looks like America and other parts of the world have begun to make the change to renewables in a huge way. Cars are far more miserly and soon the driverless electric will be in everything. Natural gas is being installed and coal has died. Even China has begun changing from coal to solar to natural gas. The only thing now is a needed push by America to lead in the new world, we will see.
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John / Angela
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tomman58 wrote:LindsayRichards wrote:Saw $1.97 yesterday. Looks like OPIEC is finally out of the drivers seat thanks to American ingenuity for inventing horizontal drilling and fracking.
Looks like America and other parts of the world have begun to make the change to renewables in a huge way. Cars are far more miserly and soon the driverless electric will be in everything. Natural gas is being installed and coal has died. Even China has begun changing from coal to solar to natural gas. The only thing now is a needed push by America to lead in the new world, we will see.
Good morning. Although I share your enthusiasm I think we have to remember that natural gas is not a renewable but it is a huge improvement over coal obviously. Coal is losing ground everywhere now but the push to eliminate it will be more economical based and not environmental (sadly). But it is now cheaper to produce power from solar than coal. The challenge is still night time storage but that is also a very fast moving field. A couple decades from now there will be a lot less energy produced from coal than there is now. I'm not up on American numbers but I know 2030 is the phase out date for coal power in Canada. Canada already is under 16 percent so not far to go. I think china will be the leader in this area.
I think china will also be the leader in replacing gas cars with electric. Korea and Japan are also offering a bunch of choices this year and of course the USA has Tesla. Model three production starts next month in Fremont. Total Tesla production between the three models may be north of 180000 cars in 2018 and 250000 in 2019.
We only drive about 16000 km per year in our two electric vehicles but we could never go back to gas burners. The electric drive is just superior in every way and every time someone drives one of our vehicle they are immediate converts.
However, the present offerings of cars is not the answer for everyone's needs. First, they are not trucks and many need a truck. Especially RVers. People who make regular long road trips have limited selection of electric cars that could suit their needs and those ones are expensive. But for those of us with commutes of less than 150 km the amount of models that will do the job is doubling every couple years. Most are 25 to 35K but I would consider that affordable for many. Once they get down to that 20,000 point look out though.
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We have over 200 years of natural gas with today's technology. Coal is losing ground in the US due to natural gas due to fracking, but not in most of the world. See link below about coal usage in CHina and India so far this year.
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-06-26/coal-on-the-rise-in-china-us-india-after-record-2016-drop
Electric and hybrids make up 0.7% of new vehicle sales and may not be as clean as you think. Most of the recharging power comes from fossil fuels. You are exchanging the tail pipe for the smoke stack. See at link below about making them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WscmJSB2c
The notion that wind and solar are cheaper that natural gas depend on the crazy notion that billions of dollars of medical costs and hundred thousand people die each year from it. Please name one.
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