Sea Dog
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eltejano1 wrote:I quit posting a while back 'cause the economics got over my head. But one thing is now clear to me - there are many factors causing the steep increases. While most posters tend to focus on one thing - speculators, oil co greed, etc -basically everyone is right, each with his/her favorite culprit.
It does seem to me, as I said early in the discussion, that we cannot drill our way out of this - all we would accomplish is buying a little more time. The Age of Petroleum is drawing to a close and we had better develop alternatives while there's still a little time left. Civilization itself could be at stake.
Everyone here seems to be in agreement that our rv'ing days are over. Even those who can afford the fuel will not do so because it will be socially unacceptable if not illegal. Govt is going to be deeply involved in pricing and allocation of fuel supplies - public support for regulation, even among economic traditionalists, is building. But it will be next year before congress will address it and I hope we can survive that long.
Finally, it's clear that there is only one really viable alternative, at least in the short run - nuclear power and plug-in cars. In the final anaylsis, that's our only realistic option.
Jack
Hey!!
What about me???
I thought it was my right as a North American citizen to be able to use as much low cost oil as I want, to heck with anyone else!!
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Take a vacation.
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eltejano1
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Hi, Friend!
Well, here's an idea - paint the rig green with "eletrically-powered" in large, artistic script on the side. Then, have Camping World install a GMC 2-71 20Kw diesel genset in the back bedroom, behind a soundproof wall, which will power a big, industrial electric motor/transmission to drive the rig. Put fuel in the sanitation tanks, sleep in the captain's chairs and sofa and use public restrooms.
Jack
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eltejano1
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Sea Dog --- correction! On second thought, a 2-71 genset won cover it. Better go with at least a 4-71 - 40 Kw.
J
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Strange you should mention the 71 jimmies, antiques to most.
The fishing trawler that I recently sold(sold share in business), is still powerd by an 8/71.
Last overhaul we added a turbo.
Probably this is its last go/round, will probably be replaced with sixty series in four or five years.
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mike54
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how about $5.00-$5.50 by mid July thats what the news said tonite ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/eek.gif "eek")
when will it end.
Mike
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It will end when the congress lets us go for our own oil resources. And then if the US investors realize THEY too suffer with us.
Frank
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sirdrakejr wrote:It will end when the congress lets us go for our own oil resources. And then if the US investors realize THEY too suffer with us.
Frank
Ha, Ha!!![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin") Probably have to get to $10 a gallon for them to notice. By then the rest of us will be huddled in our hovels trying to exist. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/frown.gif "frown") ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/wink.gif "wink")
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"It will end when the congress lets us go for our own oil resources. And then if the US investors realize THEY too suffer with us."
Under the current command and control, congress will never do that. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/doh.gif "doh")
People, in all likelihood, it is not for the most part, US investors that are wrecking havoc with the world's energy marketplace. Follow the money. If when they were pumping oil and it gave them billions to invest worldwide with $40 crude, just how much money do you think they have to invest now? Who has the most to gain, and the least to lose with high crude oil prices? Where else are those state owned oil companies going to put their profits? What they have invested worldwide in companies, banks, etc is a drop in the bucket to what they have to invest. It is pure tokenism. The profits of Exxon and other publicly traded oil companies are PEANUTS compared to the profits of the OPEC countries. The oil ministers of certain countries are talking out of both sides of their mouths, and laughing all the way to the bank while doing it.
Most are looking under the wrong proverbial rock.
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eltejano1
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Sea Dog:
I was a charter sportfishing boat operator during the summer and a painter in the winter. In my day, we ran mostly 71 series jimmies - my boat was 52' and had twin 6-71's. Those were the later models with the 90 injectors and the "L" head (as I recall), but in my youth, after the Great War, we ran surplus 6-71's out of the thousands of surplus landing craft - which were still in the "cosmoline" (remember that expression?). We changed out the cast iron gear trains and rawwater cooling with keel coolers or, mostly, a fresh water tank and a heat exchanger. I kinda miss the sound of that screaming "Root" blower, but NOT those old planetary gear boxes with the two-foot long shifting levers!.
Those engines were made for one trip, yet, with the changes above we ran them wellm into the eighties. Many of them were rebuilt a dozen times and had hundreds of thousands of hours on them. At 1250 rpm they would run forever - but at our preferred 1750-1800 we'd have to rebuild them every ten years or so.
As a kid, I remember the surplus engines had a manual governor control - it had three settings: "idle", "run" and "battle" and were always kidding around on the radio about heading home at "battle speed".
Thanks for the chance to reminisce a little. Much lighter than the subject at hand.
Take care, my friend.
Jack
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Quote:Ha, Ha!! Probably have to get to $10 a gallon for them to notice. By then the rest of us will be huddled in our hovels trying to exist.
That's not as far-fetched as we might think.
Well, if it is just greed and conspiracy then they will surely stop when we stop buying. The capitalists don't want to break the backs of the peasants. They just want to squeeze them until they start to fight back, at which time they will make adequate adjustments to keep enough money in the people's collective pocket so then can sell
their goods. The history of western civilization reflects that.
I hope it is just greed and conspiracy, because that's something that can be corrected in a variety of ways. I fear, rather, that we truly are using up remaining petroleum reserves at ever-increasing rates - all the international politics and environmental lobbies notwithstanding - and that unpleasant reality is really what's driving prices up in the long term. Those who think we can explore and drill our way "back to the future" are surely kidding themselves - however comforting that thought may be.
Jack
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