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Dick A

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nickthehunter wrote:

When I was in college there was a guy in the dorm that used to party with us. I have long ago forgotten his first name but his last name was Brown and his nickname was “Hump”. Hump was middle guard on the football team, and he was good. He was after all the starter at a big ten school.

Hump was tenacious in his zeal for football. He practiced relentlessly, trained compulsively, and was unrivaled in his preparation, execution, and zeal. He lived, breathed and ate football. Every fiber of him was devoted to football. He was big, he was muscular, and he probably was hit in the head one to many times.

If you spent any time with Hump, it was plain to see that he got through middle school, high school and was enrolled in college for one reason – football. For Hump, it was football or nothing.

Hump Brown believed with his whole being in football, Hump Brown was unrivaled in his zeal for his belief, Hump Brown could not be deterred nor shaken. But Hump Brown was as dumb as a rock.

I see Hump Brown is alive and well.


Ah yes, and unfortunately, it's the Hump Brows that seem to be running the country. [emoticon]


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As Sea Dog has been saying here, as the effect of this continues to reverberate through the economy - and credit cards get maxed-out - we are going to feel an impact not seen since 1929 - except this time with an urban populace spoiled and weakened by a half-century of luxury. In those days, most people lived on farms with a strong family/community/church support system and they were used to adversity.

I think strong govt controls and regulation of energy are inevitable - possibly even full nationalization with a controlled price and some sort of rationing. That, of course will be the end of the American Century and the cheap petroleum it was built upon. The other option is to get to work on alternatives, with free enterprise and the old American "can-do" spirit of the past. I hope I'm wrong - pessimism often comes with old-age - but I just can't see today's generation rising to the occasion.

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I am glad that someone has his head out of the sand.

I have no idea why so many believe that in a short while, oil and fuel prices will revert to what we have grown to consider normal.

The statement about older people being raised on farms etc. is true.
How can a generation raised in todays protective society, most who could not grow a bean or chicken, be expected to survive on the twentieth floor of their high-rise if the food and utility shortages which are looming, do indeed take place?


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bid_time wrote:

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wing_zealot wrote:

...I'm not buying greed and corruption when I see the U.S. consuming 20.7 million barrels of oil every day.... Fix that all consuming thirst for 20.7 million barrels of oil every day,...

By how many barrels per day must we reduce our consumption to yield a gas price of say, $2 per gallon?

You will never see gas at $2.00 per gallon again.That was part of my point -- we can't adjust pump price by consuming significantly less and greed makes it worse. Maybe wing zealot ment that we have to find alternative forms of energy and I agree, but he never addressed my post to explain his thoughts. We should have long ago developped and been using alternatives to oil wherever and whenever possible. We didn't, now we pay the piper. Agreeded and I'm doubtful that Congress will be able to formulate real solutions in time to stem economic chaos.


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But just think how quite it will be.No airliners over head no SUV~s and big trucks.People out in there garden growing what they eat.The lady down the street making what the neighborhood wears as you can`t go to Wall Mart.Only the sound of a few 50 and 150 CC scooters going buy on the highway.This is not as far fetched as it sounds.If the people keep voting in the nuts we have in the past.And vote in ones that truly are worried about America in place of what a few think it is not that far off.And I am not talking about a president
but the real law makers.

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bagman wrote:

Dick, no rants or raves from me, because I refuse to let the higher cost of gas and diesel get the best out of me. We made several changes in our personal habits and the way we manage our personal affairs, so that we actually come out ahead in spite of the higher cost of fuel. You have to look at this situation as a problem that has to be solved and all you have to do is find a solution or a way to solve that problem. That is the key! Regards, Chuck.


Us too, well, at least not anymore! Thanks Bagman, your words are the chill pill we needed to provide relief from this endless fuel rant!

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How are the people in the cities going to grow their own food?
Where would they grow it?
What would stop any food that is grown in cities from being stolen as fast as it grows?

Where would meat, milk, out of season produce come from?
Where would the food be stored?
If growing food for self consumption is indeed practical, why is it not being done now instead of the reliance on food banks?

Like making fuel out of water, theories abound but in a practical sense, only modern day, large scale low cost argricultural production can feed the masses.

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winkyb wrote:

But just think how quite it will be.No airliners over head no SUV~s and big trucks.Yea, you'll be able to hear the gunfire in the cities. People out in there garden growing what they eat.That's why you'll hear gunfire in the cities, most don't have the space or knowledge to grow anything--it's easier to take it from those who have what they need. The lady down the street making what the neighborhood wears as you can`t go to Wall Mart.Is she going to grow her own cotton? In the northeast? For many reasons, we just aren't capable of living that type of life anymore..

I wasn't going to post this but Sea Dog's post was similiar, so I thought I would offer some support. People should realize that the "energy transition" will be painful at best or worse, generate some form of rebellion.

There are millions of people dependent on welfare in some form or another and if they aren't "fed", violence is a probable outcome. Now, some people will kill you for a jacket; think what they'll do for a hamburger—and they’ll do it every time they get hungry.

No, I'm not a survivalist but the energy transition will be painful and our standard of living will probably be degraded significantly but I hope it doesn't result in a calamity.

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Sorry, double post -- apparently a website problem.

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The real problem is that the government went to far in their program to deregulate everything. That is a good idea UNLESS it involves REQUIRED utilities like gas, water, electricity and now fuels. When deregulation was accomplished it was felt it would allow for more growth. No one saw the futures market as a means to wealth since before then the futures for oil and gas were not held but sold when they came due. Now they are held and used to build a hedge based on a fictional market need rather then REAL CONSUMER DEMAND.
That is the problem and will continue to be as long as it puts money in the hands of investors without making them trade as was the original intent of futures.
Frank


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The Weekenders wrote:

eltejano1 wrote:

Hi Joe and Mrs J:

Those fellows, with the DMax and CTD, are trying in their own way to make a statement - a kind of one man Boston Tea Party if you will. Rather than being ridiculed, they should be commended for at least making some small effort to offer resistance rather than just lying there and taking it! If we had a few million more like them, diesel would be $2/gal. Maybe the guys that should be ridiculed are the ones who gleefully pay exhorbitant prices and then make fun of those who try to resist - now that's just nuts :-):-0

Love and Prayers, Jack


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A one man Boston Tea Party is liking using a shot glass to put out a forest fire. JMO


It's not a one man BTP. It's not using a shot glass to put out a forest fire. Some of us are taking action. You can't sit back and ask others to join in the fight if you aren't willing to pick up your weapon and fight some yourself. It takes starting with one person and see others gradually follow your lead. It's the shot glass theory that is keeping the prices up. The only way for us to fight this is to make individual statements in large quanities. I hope that makes sense to you.

I have a 2000 PSD, a 2002 Mazda Mallenia, and then bought a 2000 Jeep Wrangler a little over a year ago (the Jeep was going to just be a toy to play with). When the diesel prices started getting rediculous, I decided to make the Jeep my DD and park the PSD for anything except towing my 5er a couple of times a year. I'm doing it for the principle too. We can afford the fuel prices right now, I just don't have the heart to pay it "just to make the statement that I can". I choose not to appear arogant as other seem to do. If that stepped on anyone's toes, ... [emoticon]

* This post was edited 06/02/08 02:00pm by SpoiledRotten *


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