Added hitch, bed mat, Truxedo LoPro QT and day to day junk under the rear seat. Same Me + full tank and it went to 8360
With trailer listed in my signature trucked wieghed in at 9960
Entire rig was 17540 dry.
2011 F-250 6.7 Lariat CC SWB w/16K Superglide
Airlift 5000 bags with on board compressor
2012 Open Range 399BHS
Here ya go: Total weight with both of us and all we take with us
Truck 2007 Ford F-250 6.0 diesel with tow package
Trailer 2011 Crossroads Cruiser 315RE Patriot Edition
Truck GVWR 10,000 FAWR 5,600 RAWR 6,100 5th Wheel Tow 15,000
Nitto Tires 3,750 Load Range E Payload 3,000
Trailer Dry 9,260 Max 11,973 Maxsis tires 3,240 Load Range E
Cat Scale weights today 2/15/11
FAWR 4,840 RAWR 5,840 GCWR 19,340 Pin 2,360 Trailer Axles 8,660
We have no trouble towing and have already done 2-6% and 1-7% grades with no problems going up or coming down. We can pull and stop safely.
* This post was edited 02/24/11 06:34pm by Happy&Grumpy *
I have a 2008 Dodge crew 2500 HD, 6 speed with OD auto, factory installed exhaust brake and I added 2 leaf springs to both sides.
My trailer is a 2011 FW Open Range 413RLL, (the 413 is the square feet of living space in the trailer), GVWR 14,165, 39'-9" long with 4 slides, bedroom up front and another one in the back with a couch and loft plus a wet bath. I have a full bath up front with a tub. They kept the weight down by using cables for the slide instead of the steel tubes saving 200 pounds for each slide. This trailer also comes with a 4 season living package, and 2 A/C's one has a heat pump, and 4-20 pound gas bottle's, 2 on each side with slide out trays.
Tow capacity for my truck as stated on the internet is 16,832 pounds.
If I am over weight the 6.7 Cummings hasn't complained and I was out west in Idaho, Oregon, Washington, and Montana.
I just know if I can pull it and stop it then I can't worry too much right now. I don't understand looking at the weight each axle, both truck and trailer, will carry or what I put in the truck, and the pin weight. Sitting on flat ground the truck is level and the trailer is also level, what I would call a balanced package. After 51 years of driving many types of vehicles all over the US plus Alaska, and Hawaii,Germany, Viet Nam, I even toured the eastern US on a motor cycle, been in driving rained, white out blizzards in a convoy from Anchorage to Fairbanks in a Jeep as the driver for the company commander. I said all that because I don't understand all the technical talk, really it is a little confusing to me to try and cut the numbers to an exact figure. I am not arguing with anyone, actually I am rather impressed that so many of you have spent so much time on the subject. I am a little old country boy, really a swamper from Florida, with an A.A., B.A., M.A., and Doctorate, wife said I can take all of that to Starbucks and $6.00 and will be able to get a cup of coffee.
Front Axel 4760# GVAR 6000# (on door sticker)
Rear Axel 3300# GVAR 7000# (on door sticker)
Total 8060# GVWR 11,500# (on door sticker)
Add 800# for family and incidentals + 2615 for pin weight on a JAYCO 36 REQS That will give me a grand total of 11,475 # 25# shy of the door sticker. If I have cause for alarm let me know
If you knkow your real corner weights please post the info on this thread
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24725125.cfm
40 years experience as tire Design & Quality engineer with focus on failed tire forensics.
In the Air Force you have to watch your weight and do not overload the plane.
In the Navy you also have to watch your weight so you do not overload the boat , causing it to sink.
In the Army and the Marine Corps just load the truck and go.
So here is my take on the way to the weight of the truck and trailer.
The truck is limited to how much it can carry by the design of the manufacturer. The trailer has a gross vehicle weight rating and is listed on the side of the unit. As much as you can load on the truck, according to the weight limitations is one thing, the trailer is another thing.
Now you have another option to look at,how much the truck can tow.
So all the stuff you have in the truck, passengers, clothing and other items that you may need, and the pin weight of the trailer on the back in the bed will tell you if you are over loaded or at the weight prescribed by the manufacture. The truck, a 3/4,(1 ton = 2000 Pounds), ton truck, is about 6500 to 7500 pounds and can carry 1500 pounds. I know all of us follow that rule--yah right--, my pin weight is some where around 1500 to 2500 pounds so that would put me over right there, not to worry though the truck can take it and not say a word, at least not yet.
Now the tow weight rating for my truck with the Cummings 6.7 diesel and a 6 speed auto transmission quad cab long box is 16,832.
Look at that for a moment, what the tow rating is, not the carrying weight but the tow weight.
My rig is rated at 14,165 pounds, that is full of stuff, my 6 pairs of socks, 6 pairs of under pants, 4 pair of jeans, 12 shirts 3 pair of shoes, and a partridge in a pear tree. Now with a wife and 15 year old daughter their stuff--I really don't to go there as to what they have and how much it weighs, if I did I would be out the door on legal stuff before I went 1 mile.
Now how many of you, who don't dry camp all the time, will fill you rigs tanks and cupboards to over flowing out the door, dry campers will meet that limit on the way home, dumping some of the tanks along the way. That designation of GVWR for the trailer is a recommended weight that the trailer can carry according to the, "Safety Transportation Board". How many of you will build a house to stand up to a 100 mph wind, when for an extra $5.00 per sq foot you can build it to stand up to a 300 mph wind and you live on the beach side in Florida? So the trailer manufacture will put what the Gov. requires them to state however any company that has been around very long will over build some what because they know us, "get the wife, daughter, dog, cat, rock collection and my stuff along with a tooth brush and razor, plus an extra 50 to 100 gal fuel tank in the bed of the truck, hook the trailer up and see if they really can stay together at 80 mph down the road.
Now after all of that, what is the corner weight, and do I have one?
If we ask anyone with a pilots licence if total weight is the only thing of concern, I believe they will advise that weight balance is also important. I know I have been on commercial flights when some passengers have been asked to move forward or back to meet weight balance.
Now to your specific question. Yes the total weights are important but the tires on the right side of your trailer don't know the load on the tires on the left. If you have a 60/40 side to side to side weight distribution on your 7,000 lb axle and you load the RV to have a total of 7,000 on the axle you may think you are not overloading your tires because your tires are rated at 3042# each but the 60% side is being asked to carry 4200#.
"Corner Loads" on motor homes would be RF, LF, RR & LR
If you have a multi axle trailer then you also have variation axle to axle as not all axles carry an equal distribution AND they also can have diferent loading right side vs left side.
If you go to large Rally you may hear about RVSafetyEducationFoundation offering to provide individual corner weights. They do analysis and based on the tens of thousands of RVs they have checked over 55% have either a tire or axle overloaded.
Is it any wonder that 18% of RV owners have had some form of tire failure in the last two years according a recent survey.
If you follow the link I provided you can read the background to my request.
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Frank
2011 Palomino Maverick 1000SLLB on a 2004 Dodge Quadcab CTD Ram3500 SRW long bed equipped with Timbren springs, Stable Load bump stops, Rickson 19.5" wheels/"G" range tires and a Helwig "Big Wig" rear anti sway bar.
Steer Axle- 5040 lbs
Drive Axle- 3300 lbs
Gross - 8340 lbs
Truck GVW- 12200lbs
Self and Spouse
2 children
2 dogs: Mya, Lab/ Catahoula Mix, Roxi, ACD, Bully Mix.
2014 Dodge 3500 CCLB DRW 6.7 CTD, Aisin Automatic, 4x4, Max Steel Metallic , Soon to have a B&W 3600.
2009 Jayco 31.5FBHS