total wt: 8550 ( two people, dog , some luggage, hitch)
GVW: 10,000
Pin wt: 2100
Total hitched : 10650 (truck fails here)
Cameo 34'
dry wt: 11,733
total wt: 14,000
Max fiver for this truck: 15,300
Truck payload: 2400
GCVW : 23,000
Truck also fails in pin wt-payload.
We are new to this Rv life. I allowed a salesman to convince me that I had the correct truck for the fiver we planned to purchase. In fact, we purchased one that was "lighter" than the one we originally planned to buy, and one of the lightest that Carriage makes. Our overall weight and pin weights are less than what appears to be a majority of fivers in the same length of fiver class. If we exceed the GVW ( ok with the GCWR : within the 23000) but fail in the other categories, what are the real safety ramifications?
If a majority of five drivers are also over their GVW limits, where are the GVW "police", and why don't we see more catastrophic accidents? After all, it is not so much a towing issue as it is a "stopping " issue. You would think that industry wide there would be some sort of listed recommendations for trucks and fifth wheel manufacturers. And you would think that more often the state police would periodically monitor fifth wheel drivers to check on weights, because it just might be a financial gold mine for them with fines and the like.
We now must consider our options, among which would be to purchase a one ton dually, or even a one/one-half dually. I am not certain about the latter, but it certainly would provide a much wider margin of safety. I am bewildered by it all at times, and wonder how many folks feel the same way.
Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions and "pontificate"! < al fisher
Frank
2011 Palomino Maverick 1000SLLB on a 2004 Dodge Quadcab CTD Ram3500 SRW long bed equipped with Timbren springs, Stable Load bump stops, Rickson 19.5" wheels/"G" range tires and a Helwig "Big Wig" rear anti sway bar.
03-3500 laramie 4x4 6 speed 3.73 gear Jake brake triple piller isspro gauges 04-38ft fifth wheel Prowler AX-6 100gal in bed fuel tank volant air intake tool box Utra-Fab air deflector Tom Tom 720
Mark and Becky
Penny the Mini Dachshund AKA Piglet
Lifetime GoodSamers
2002 Dodge HO Cummins / 6 speed / 4x4 / Edge & AFE Proguard 7 equipped
Prodigy & Reese 16K Slider
2005 Prowler Regal 285 RKS TrailAir & PressurePro equipped
Scales out 16,600 lbs
With 34 ft Sunnybrook 34BWTS attached
Front is 4080#s
Rear is 5620#s
and trailer axle is 9620#s
So pin wt is 2460 Gross wt is 19,320#
The Silverado pulls this rig like there is nothing there.
2003 Newmar Mountain Aire Vortec engine 35ft
2002 Sunnybrook 34BWTS On site at campground as a seasonal
Chevy Silverado 2500HD with Duramax engine and Allison transmission
Pullrite Superglide Hitch, Prodigy brake controller
S and S Co-Travelers
Please indicate if you are full-time or not when posting your figures. Also,
How much of your weight is cargo? And how do your figures stack up against the mfr's CCC rating?
I would be interested to see if there is significant difference between full-timer cargo weight and not FT. And what are typical CCCs for FT-ing.
Truck total 14,320 with 6,280 on drive axle & 8,420 on steer axle GCWR 60,000
Trailer total 23,460 with 5,480 on pin & 17,980 on axles GVWR 24,000
Trailer empty 20,420 with 4,940 on pin & 15,480 on axles (cargo capacity 3,580)
Complete rig ready to roll with full fresh water & propane 37,780 with steer axle at 7,960 drive axle 11,840 and trailer axles (3) at 17,980
All axles are within their ratings and yes I can stop it with huge air brakes on truck & elect/hyd disks on all 6 trailer wheels.
05 Freightliner Century with Smart Car on the back
2010 Spacecraft 44.5 ft with a fully stocked bar-room
The Critters: Boogie & Jack (2 great dogs)
14 Cedar Creek Silverback 29IK
10 Dodge 3500 Dually Laramie 6.7 Diesel
14 Chrysler 300
07 Pearl White Ultra Classic (My new Baby)
Texas Boomers---Stop by for a Margie some time!
2230 lbs
2006 GMC CC 3500 D-Max Dually
2010 Montana Big Sky
1 wife 1 teenager (what was I thinking?!)