Dankenbring
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04 f250 diesel cc short bed 4X4 with gulfstream 39' fifth wheel with 4 slides. Fully loaded with wife and dogs included. Gross weight was 19950. Truck rated 20K.
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rhagfo
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Dankenbring wrote:04 f250 diesel cc short bed 4X4 with gulfstream 39' fifth wheel with 4 slides. Fully loaded with wife and dogs included. Gross weight was 19950. Truck rated 20K.
I love post like this. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
I have a 2001 Ram 2500, CTD, and the truck has a GCVWR of 20,000# and I tow at about 19,000# to 19,500# GCVW.
That said I am well over the TV GVWR of 8,800#, but well within the Rear axle rating of 6,084#, and the front axle rating of 5,200#.
Dankenbring, what were your axle weights, that is far more important the GCVW or GVW of the TV.
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Dankenbring
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We was unable to get a per axle weight as the approach to scales was not level. So we would have gotten a bad weight. Free weight can't complain
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DW-gray
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rhagfo wrote:Dankenbring, what were your axle weights, that is far more important the GCVW or GVW of the TV.
That's not technically correct. All vehicle manuals state that GAWR or GVWR must not be exceeded. Here is a direct quote from Ford's manual:
“Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR.”
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DW-gray wrote:rhagfo wrote:Dankenbring, what were your axle weights, that is far more important the GCVW or GVW of the TV.
That's not technically correct. All vehicle manuals state that GAWR or GVWR must not be exceeded. Here is a direct quote from Ford's manual:
“Addition of trailer tongue (trailer king pin for 5th-wheel towing) load weight and weight of passengers and cargo must not cause vehicle weights to exceed rear GAWR or GVWR.”
Well yes you are correct, I am sure that is in EVERY owners manual. That said some are arbitrary numbers that are part set by engineers and marketing. Now days a model line might have 10 or more GVWR, based on options, larger springs, bigger tires, etc.
Well just a few years back they assigned only one GVWR per model, not based on load enhancing options.
That is why I can be well over GVWR, and still 600# and 640# under on the front and rear axle ratings, and not need any EXTRA stuff to tow better than level.
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Rigs in signature below.
TV solo front 5,100#
rear 3,840
Total 8,940 1/4 tank fuel
Loaded weights
TV front 5,180#
rear 8,860
TV total 14,040#
RV two axles 14,820
Combined 28,860
Loaded TV rear 8,860#
subtract unloaded rear -3,840#
Pin weight 5,020# pin is 25% of total RV weight!
Combined 28,860
minus TV unloaded -8,940
RV weight 19,920#
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edited 02/01/15 11:43pm by Cummins12V98 *
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I only have truck weights for now, my ordered Arctic Fox fifth wheel hasn't been delivered yet:
2006 Dodge 3500 Laramie 4x4, SRW, quad cab, short bed. It's equipped with a PacBrake, Vision 19.5 inch wheels, and 90 gallon in-bed transfer tank.
The truck was weighed without driver but all 125 gallons of fuel capacity topped off and the Superglide hitch mount installed. The actual hitch was not mounted, it weighs about 200 pounds.
Steer Axle: 4580
Drive Axle: 3500
Gross Weight: 8080
2006 Dodge 3500, Cummins, G56, Quad Cab, 4x4, SRW, Laramie, Short-Bed.
PacBrake, Vision 19.5 wheels, Superglide, 90 gallon on-board transfer tank.
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flyairam wrote:I only have truck weights for now, my ordered Arctic Fox fifth wheel hasn't been delivered yet:
2006 Dodge 3500 Laramie 4x4, SRW, quad cab, short bed. It's equipped with a PacBrake, Vision 19.5 inch wheels, and 90 gallon in-bed transfer tank.
The truck was weighed without driver but all 125 gallons of fuel capacity topped off and the Superglide hitch mount installed. The actual hitch was not mounted, it weighs about 200 pounds.
Steer Axle: 4580
Drive Axle: 3500
Gross Weight: 8080
Hmm... If your truck's GCWR is 23,000 lbs. and the GVWR is 9,900 lbs., that doesn't leave you much available payload to tow a fifth wheel. According to RV Tow Check, using those numbers, your fifth wheel tow capacity could be just 9,100 pounds.
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I'll see if this works!
I am trying to find exactly what size 5th wheel I can handle safety.
I have a 1999 Dodge 5.7 Cumming Diesel Cub Cap long bed.
On the driver's door is says: GVWR 8800 Front GAWR 4410 Rear 6084
Weighted empty at scale: Front axle 3880 Rear 2780 Total weight= 6540.
To figure out what size of 5th wheel I can safety tow?
GHWR or Pin weight: 8800 lbs X .25 or 25% = 2200 lbs.
I tried looking up the GCWR which I think is 15,000 for this truck.
So for example: A Montana 293RK stick says: Payload 2,080 Loaded Trailer 8,320-10,400
I take 10,400 lbs for the tailor and multiply .25 which equals, 2,600 lbs. Looks like this 5th wheel is too heavy. Right or wrong.
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Chuck .. wrote:I'll see if this works!
I am trying to find exactly what size 5th wheel I can handle safety.
I have a 1999 Dodge 5.7 Cumming Diesel Cub Cap long bed.
On the driver's door is says: GVWR 8800 Front GAWR 4410 Rear 6084
Weighted empty at scale: Front axle 3880 Rear 2780 Total weight= 6540.
To figure out what size of 5th wheel I can safety tow?
GHWR or Pin weight: 8800 lbs X .25 or 25% = 2200 lbs.
I tried looking up the GCWR which I think is 15,000 for this truck.
So for example: A Montana 293RK stick says: Payload 2,080 Loaded Trailer 8,320-10,400
I take 10,400 lbs for the tailor and multiply .25 which equals, 2,600 lbs. Looks like this 5th wheel is too heavy. Right or wrong.
First, go to this page and enter your truck's VIN number and you should know for sure the GCWR on the stats info page. Dodge VIN Decoder
Second, enter the weight info into the calculator at RV Tow Check.
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