DW-gray
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BusyC wrote:Thanks bpounds for your review of my information! I am glad to have another set of eyes on it. I forgot to mention in my first post that we have an auxiliary tank with 55 gal of diesel in it in the bed of the truck. So if we needed more payload we could just take less fuel.
The rig we are looking at is a Keystone Mountaineer 346LBQ with a sticker shipping weight of 12020, a published pin weight of 2205, and a cargo capacity of 2240. According to our Ford dealership, based on the VIN of our truck, with all of the options we can tow up to 14,500lb.
We love the Mountaineer model because of all of the room for people, dogs, and stuff but it may be too much rig for us. All of the ones that are lower in weight have a very disappointing kitchen setup and the bunks are not full length for an adult. Oh well...may have to wait for newer models.
If the trailer's GVWR is more than 14,500 pounds then that is to much for your truck. Any additional weight above the base weight of the truck must be subtracted from the 14,500.
Read "Before You Buy That RV, Truck or Other Tow Vehicle".
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BusyC
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Thanks Glen Schumann & DW-Gray for your feedback! We really appreciate it!
Carol - Billings, MT
2002 Ford F250 7.3l Diesel Crew Cab
2013 Keystone Montana 3100RL
Loving RVing as a family! DH, Myself, DS (6yr) and 2 dogs!
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rhagfo
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BusyC wrote:Thanks bpounds for your review of my information! I am glad to have another set of eyes on it. I forgot to mention in my first post that we have an auxiliary tank with 55 gal of diesel in it in the bed of the truck. So if we needed more payload we could just take less fuel.
The rig we are looking at is a Keystone Mountaineer 346LBQ with a sticker shipping weight of 12020, a published pin weight of 2205, and a cargo capacity of 2240. According to our Ford dealership, based on the VIN of our truck, with all of the options we can tow up to 14,500lb.
We love the Mountaineer model because of all of the room for people, dogs, and stuff but it may be too much rig for us. All of the ones that are lower in weight have a very disappointing kitchen setup and the bunks are not full length for an adult. Oh well...may have to wait for newer models.
Well this is a very gray area, GVW are now a higher percentage of the GAWR, those haven't changed much just how much the manufactures feel is now safe to use.
That said this is not a recommendation, but just my personal status, which I am fine with.
My Dodge is also a Camper Special with tow package, but the GVWR is still 8,800# same as all other Dodge 2500's.
2001 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Quad Cab With Tow and Camper packages
Tire: LT 265/75 16 E: Load rating 3,415 lbs.
Engine: 5.9L I6 Cummins: Power (SAE): 235 hp @ 2700 rpm; 460 lb-ft (from 1600 to 2700 rpm)
The engine has a small chip " Power Puck" so I now have about 285 HP and 510 lb-ft of torque.
Transmission Type: NV4500
Transmission: NV4500 5 speed manual
Axle Ratio: 3.55
GVWR: 8,800 - 7,000 = 1,800 With driver (Payload)
Payload: Searched could not find a "stated Payload" 1,800 actual caculated.
Base Weight: (This actual scaled weight, with driver 200#)
Total:7,000
(Front:4,250)
(Rear: 2,750)
GAWR
(Front: 5,200)
(Rear: 6,080): 6,080 - 2,750 = 3,330 (Max load on rear axle before axle Over Load)
5,200+ 6,080 = 11,280 8,800/11,280 = 78.0% of total max axle load.
Total max axle divided by stated GVWR = percentage of axle max.
This is where it get interesting, according to the owners manual!
2500 Quad cab 4X4 GCWR = 16,000#
2500 Reg Cab 4X4 GCWR = 20,000# ??? The added weight of the Quad Cab should come off Max trailer not GCWR.
GCWR: 16,00 16,000 - 7,000 (truck and driver) = 9,000 max trailer
GCWR: 20,000 20,000 - 7,000 (truck and driver) = 13,000 max trailer
So when I scaled on the 1st two nigher, with 3 adults, 2 small dogs, and too much food in the refer, and about 95% of our "stuff" these are my scale weights.
Front axle 4,650#: (4,650/5,200 = 89% of max axle rating)(4,650/6,830 = 68% of max tire rating) (Darn heavy Cummins!)
Rear axle 5,050#: (5,050/6,080 = 83 % of max axle rating)(5,050/6,830 = 74% of max tire rating)
Total Truck 9,700#
Trailer axles 8,400 #
GCVW 18,100#
So am I over loaded by the book? Yes
Are my axles overloaded? NO
Are my tires over loaded? NO
This rig tows and handles fine, pull the worst hills in the Oregon Coast range at 55, not too bad for 3.55 gears
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#
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BusyC
Billings, MT
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Thanks rhagfo for sharing your info. We have found nothing but frustration in trying to find a rig the meets our needs and fits within the numbers. We find it funny how the numbers don't seem to add up and yet the trucks tow just fine.
We are still in a holding pattern. We are still looking at the Mountaineer but...haven't decided yet what to do.
Thanks again!
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Flafstaff 8524rlws - Sivlerado 2500 HD gas 6.0/3.73 8 ft bed
TV FA 3880 RA 3240 Unhooked people/cargo
TV/5 er FA 3720 RA 4720 5 er axles 6460
GCw 14920 people/cargo/half tank fresh water/propane/batteries
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avvidclif1
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Some time back I weighed my rig loaded to go camping. No water but everything else. Myself, wife, daughter, and 2 gkids.
2009 Ford F350 SRW Lariat Crew Cab
2011 Crossroads Cruiser CF285RL
Axle Actual GAWR
Front 5020 5000
Rear 5900 6693
Trailer 7380 10400
Truck GVWR 11,000 Trailer GVWR 12317 GCVWR 23,000 Actual 18,300
It all looked good except the front axle???
Yesterday I weighed the truck by itself. Full tank of diesel, driver 275, no other passengers, hitch in back.
Axle Actual GAWR
Front 4660 5000
Rear 3580 6693
Gross 8240 GVWR 11000
Sure is heavy on the front end. Take out the extra bodies and add in the fuel. I figure the tongue weight is ~2200-2300. That's why it sits on the overloads all the time. All looks good and pulls fine. No problems. Except for the front axle all within ratings.
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dlturner00
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Ok here are my real weights. Combo was weighed on a CAT scale. Truck empty on a certifed shipping scale, single weight only.
Gross wt. truck, trailer, and cargo loaded for camping: 22480 lbs.
Truck Fr. Axle:4980 lbs.
Truck Rr. Axle: 5760 lbs.
Trailer Axles: 11740 lbs.
Truck: 2004 Ford 4WD CC DRW 6.0 Powerstroke
Fr. GAWR: 5200 lbs.
Rr. GAWR: 8250 lbs.
GVWR: 11500 lbs.
GCWR: 20000 lbs.
Weight Empty w/driver and 1/2 tank fuel, and hitch: 7920 lbs.
Trailer: 2013 Cedar Creek Silverbak 35QB4
GVWR: 15500
Weight fully loaded for camping (calculated, Gross 22480 lbs. - (truck wt.+ 500 lbs. cargo) ):14060 lbs.
I'm 2480 lbs. over on GCWR but not over on either axle or GVWR on the truck or trailer. What I don't get is why truck GVWR doesn't equal combined axle ratings. Truck pulls fine, rides level as does the trailer. Made a few quick stops in traffic and no problem. Pulled some pretty good hills in the Smokies. I'm ok with the handling and feel of everything. Feel free to correct my math. Never been a math whiz. Ok weight police, have at it.
Edit: I forgot pin weight. My calculation: (Fr. + & Rr. Axle weights) - (Truck weight + 500 lbs. cargo)
10740 - 8420 = 2320 lbs.
2320/14060 = 16.5 % of trailer weight
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These weights are from a CAT scale, loaded for 2 weeks worth of food and gear + bikes for a young family of four to camp in the Canadian Rockies.
Steer Axle 5180 lb
Drive Axle 6600 lb
Trailer Axle 12200 lb
total 23980 lb
67 gallons of Diesel
375 lbs of passenger weight
~350 lbs water
2008 F350 CC SRW 156" 6.4L 4x4 3.73, mods: minimaxx, CB, DVD, ride-rite air bags, 37 gal aux tank
11,400 GVWR
2012 Heartland Elkridge 37 Ultimate
15,500 GVWR
42'
Same truck, previous trailer loaded for 10 days at Disney:
2009 Forest River Wildcat 30Loft
Steer Axle 5140
Drive Axle 5440
Trailer Axle 9020
Total 19600
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Ezbagr
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2007 Dodge 3500 Quad Cab 2wd dually-2009 3050 Cardinal
Truck and 5th Wheel Weights-August 12,2012
Without Trailer
Front Axle GAWR-4750 Actual-4400
Rear Axle GAWR-9350 Actual-3280
GVWR-11500 Total-7680
With Trailer
Front Axle GAWR-4750 Actual-4500
Rear Axle GAWR-9350 Actual-6040
GVWR-11500 Actual-10540
Truck and Trailer`s Front Axle Actual-15400
Truck and Both of trailers Axles Actual-20,880
Truck GCVW-21,0000
Trailer GVW-15,500 Actual-13,200
Trailer Axles are 6,000 Axles
Front Trailer Axle Actual-4860
Rear Trailer Axle Actual-5480
Pin Weight Actual-2860-21.6 percent
This is with empty trailer tanks, 5/8 fuel tank, 2 dogs and a little firewood in bed
Camper has a battery bank of 4 six volt batteries where onboard generator would be located
Also has 4 220 watt solar panels on roof
I think that I will drop my hitch in thr truck by one hole to try to transfer weight to trailer`s front axle.
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2012 3500 Ram Mega-Cab plus 2009 Cardinal 37.5 ft. Model 3150 total loaded weight 24,220 lbs.
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