DelawareCamper
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PatricioFamily wrote:This is interesting. There is so much mis-information out there. For 6 months we were pulling a TT that we were told was 7800 lbs dry. Come to find out it was really 10,200 lbs. We have been wanting to find a truck weight station and test for ourselves what are weight really is just to be sure. But dont know if we are permitted to do this. We just thought it would be a good way to know for sure. What do you think? Anyone every tried this before?
You can pull into just about any truck stop with a scale and get your weights... I think the flying j scale costs about $7.50.
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AntiqFreq
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PatricioFamily,
You can't mean 10,200 lbs DRY? Do you?
Did you do any research on your trailer before you purchased it?
What kind of a trailer is it that weighs that much?
Must be a BIG one....
Jody
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juzplanekrazy
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Since I was the one that started this thread I guess I should get to updating it too.
But before I do that, here's the new rig. I think I'm well within the truck spec's...........this time ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/biggrin.gif "biggrin")
The trailer is the same as before, but here's what my take is on the new TV.
GCWR 29,000
Max 5th wheel towing 17,800
I'm no where near max on pin weight and I'm no where near max tow cap.........this time
I'm real happy with the new truck. I'm still going to miss the Dodge.
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edited 04/14/08 11:47pm by juzplanekrazy *
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Glen Schumann
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CAT Scale Weights: (scale weight, rating)
with FW hitched
TV Steer Axle 4,400, 4,670 (under by 270)
TV Drive Axle 5,280, 6084 (under by 804)
TV total 9,680, 9,200 (over by 480)
Trailer Axles 8,000, 10,050 (under by 2,050)
Gross Combination weight 17,680, 22,000 (under by 4,320)
TV only
steer axle 4,400
drive axle 3,460
total 7,940
Thus Pin weight is 1,820, FW total weight is 9,820 and pin weight is 18.5% of FW total weight.
All water tanks empty (fresh, both gray and black)
LP tanks about 2/3 full
FW loaded for travel
Fuel tank full
TV loaded for hauling
Myself, DW, 5 yr old grandson
There was 50-75 lbs of firewood in the TV box which will not be there on most trips and I am beginning to think I have more leveling material than I need. This can probable be reduced by another 50 lbs.
There is plenty of room in FW GWR and CGWR to fill the fresh water tank (about 320 lbs) which will take weight off the pin as it is at the very back (is 200 lbs reasonable?)
I do plan to have a pin box bike rack which when fully installed and with max load should be about 150 lbs. There was also some cargo in the FW which could be shifted to the back end. I am figuring we can get to within about 200 lbs. of TV GVWR with the adjustments.
I think I am comfortable with that. Your comments are welcome.
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marspec
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Glenn Schumann wrote:Thus Pin weight is 1,820, FW total weight is 9,820 and pin weight is 18.5% of FW total weight.
I'd be leary of reducing pin weight. You're well within your TV axle limits. My experience has been a pin weight in the 19-20% range provides a decent tow. Much lighter than that tends to make the trailer act a little squirly. That's with a F250, both my 95 and 05.
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AntiqFreq
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Just found our CAT scale slip - Fiver was hooked up to truck:
Truck: F250, 7.3L, 4x4, CC, SB, year: 2003
Fiver: Keystone Cougar 291RLS
Steer Axle 4680 lbs.
Drive Axle 5400 lbs.
Trailer Axle 8040 lbs.
Gross Weight 18120 lbs.
We still gotta take the truck to be weighed separately, but we were on
vacation and he wasn't gonna unhook the trailer. The trailer weighs 8270 lbs
dry so we figure about 9500 lbs loaded up - we travel average I'd say as it is
just the two of us and no kids.
Our manufacturer totals show Front GAWR of 5200 lbs (we're okay)
and Rear GAWR of 6084 lbs (we're okay)
Total GVWR is 8800 lbs. (we're okay)
Total GCWR is 20,000 lbs (so we're okay there)
Our problem is we are over our payload capacity -I'm sure of that before
even going to the scales - dang it! next truck is a F350 !
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marspec
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AntiqFreq wrote:Total GVWR is 8800 lbs. (we're okay)
Payload capacity has nothing to do with it. It's the total weight of the truck that counts. The way I figure it truck/trailer hooked up puts truck weight of 10,080#, 1,280# above rated GVW of truck. From 2005 and up the 250 is rated at 9,800# (but weighs more, not sure how much though). FWIW I hauled 10,000# fivers for years with a 250 (95 and 05)and never felt like I was overdoing it, but when I went to 14,000# I upgraded the TV.
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AntiqFreq
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Marspec,
I hear what you are saying.
I am sure we are okay, but the pin weight, I am sure, is more than we should
be putting one the rear axles.
Like I said, next truck will be a F350 - that will cure any ills or thoughts
I may have.
Jo
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2008 Dodge 3500, QC, 8'box, 6.7L, 6spd auto, DRW, GVWR 11500
Ready to hook, 2 people, hitch, 3000W generator, air compressor, pressure washer, full fuel + 5 gal jerry can. Weighs 8620 lbs
Hooked up with 2624 lbs on the pin. Weighs 11244 lbs
2008 Glendale Titanium 36E41MPRV, GVWR 15082, GAWR 4760
Ready to hook, WasherDryer, side patio, 2 motorcycles, tools, 58 gal water, 60 lbs propane. Weighs 15940, pin 2624 lbs, axle(3) 4439 lbs
1999 Kawasaki 800 Drifter, 650 lbs approx
2005 Kawasaki 1600 Nomad, 850 lbs approx
Hooked. GVWR 23000. Weighs 24560 lbs
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2008 Dodge 3500 6.7L 6 spd auto 4x2 DRW 4:10
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dbbls
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Truck only;
front axle 3620
drive axle 3180 Max GVWR 8800
with trailer:
front axle 3600
drive axle 5840
trailer axles 8500
pin weight 2660
total combined wt 17800 GCWR 17000
2011 F-350 CC Lariat 4X4 Dually Diesel
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