hone eagle
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Sweetpete I live north of you and never have trouble starting,in fact been up north of Sudbarry and saw all three makes of diesels start in temps that are the same in both F and C ,lined up in front of the motel they clattered but started up no problems and they could'nt plug them in.love my truck to
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BertP
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[quote]Sweetpete I live north of you and never have trouble starting,in fact been up north of Sudbarry and saw all three makes of diesels start in temps that are the same in both F and C ,lined up in front of the motel they clattered but started up no problems and they could'nt plug them in.love my truck to[/quote]
Start at -40??? Gassers won't do that. I lived in Yellowknife (about 600 miles north of Edmonton) for 10 years and am quite familiar with the cold. [b]No engine[/b] will start at -40 without some external source of heat to warm them up or a great deal of persuation in the form of ether. At that temperature, you would be lucky to get the engine to turn over because the battery is likely frozen. There is a reason for those electric battery blankets.
As for diesels, many dealers here in the Edmonton area routinely tow their brand new diesels into the shop to warm them up so they will start at temperatures a hell of a lot warmer than -40. I plug my DMax in if it is going to be colder than -10.
[OnEdit} Those diesels you saw running outside a hotel in Ontario were probably left running all night. That is quite common in the colder climes because if you shut them off, you have to wait until Spring to get them going again :)
Bert
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Schlickenmeyer
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I had my '01 Cummins start in -13 with out any help. Sure, I plug in when I can, did that with my cars too. Just being nice. But the new Cummins I believe is factory spec to -20 no plug in. (If you have good batteries, etc..). A lot of cars won't do that. So they are getting better as they evolve.
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hone eagle
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bert-Kapuskasing 1970, christmas, our jeep gasser started every day outside,no they weren't pugged in(the cummins,duramax,psd's) and i don't think they were running or we would not have got any sleep as they were right outside the door.when i said they started they started,they didn't like it, lotsa smoke and clatter but they ran. ya i know at 40 below all bets are off but i was illustrating to our southern neighbours that at around zero they should'nt worry(of course all systems like batteries,fuel etc. must be in top condition)
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usmc7277
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my 6.0 diesel is great! i dont know why anybody wouldnt want one if they are pulling a trailer. i added a few aftermarket performance parts and WOW great performance and economy! i purchaced my add on from vehicle specialities and they did a great job!
good camping happy holidays
i just wanted to let anyone interested that i purchaced some aftermarket add ons and what a difference in my truck!2004 f-350 cc,sb,6.0 diesel. the inproved economy and performance is great.
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J Fred
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Happy Holidays everyone. I did not read all 489 posts but I did read many. I have a 2003qclb Hemi that is a real treat to drive. Lots of power, sounds good and rides great. I do not have to rotate the tires at every oil change because the engine is so heavy and I have not heard od problems with brakes that the cd and v10's had. We just returned from our maiden voyage with the toyhauler and got 7.x for 1600 miles or about 200+ miles per 35 gal tank. This engine has 16 plugs that need to be changed every 30,000 and the 5spd auto should be serviced every 30-40,000 pulling 20 tons so my guess is that maintanence cost will be close to a smoker. I now the Hemi is a good engine (it is not the 426 casting) but it does have 4 bolt mains and a strong set of rods, but i cannot believe it will pull at 3000 to 5000 rpm's for as many miles as a diesel doing the same thing at 2500 rpm. It seems that the majority think its worth the stink and noise and since ALL class 8's are smokers it would seem that as a future "part" full timer it would make sense to change. Question: can you run 75 to 80 mph with air with 7 tons of 5vr and does it leave black soot on the trailer. My 1 cent worth. Thanks for the debate it has really got me thinking.
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gon2dadawgs
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It was awful....my CTD with well over 200K only got 12 over the rockies towing 8000 lbs.....I found the fuel leak! True story!
Yes, they are a bit noisy but they have their place. If you have some weight to pull consider a diesel..IMHO
Michael
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Jack-Pine Savage
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I am trying to decide whether to purchase a 2003 or a 2004 Ford or GM (diesel of course). Or should we spend the load and buy new (either make). I talk to owners and they all love their truck and wouldn't have the other make. I think that I have eliminated Dodge. I like GM so far because we think that our test drives told us that DMax was quieter.
We presently pull a 6K lb TT but plan to pull a 10/11K lb TT or 5'er in the near future.
We need some advice...ie 1.noise, 2.smell, 3.service, 4.mainteance. The rest is elementary as I've spent months looking for a good used or the right maker.
Jack-Pine Savage
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tgatch
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For the price and incentive that are available, buy new.
As far as noise, the GM with the Duramax is quieter.
Smell is really not a problem with the newer diesel. You might start to smell it if you pull of at a rest stop and idle for a couple minutes. The other thing is sometimes the pump handles are messy.
Maintainence, the ford will take more oil. 15 qts vs the Duramax's 12 I beleieve. Fuel filters cost more for the Ford, but it is a kit of two filters. Most Duramax owners add a secondary filter anyway.
Service is totally dealer based. If you like one, but don't like the dealer, find another dealer. My father used to drive 45 mile to a GM dealer to get his buick serviced. Sure there was closer, but this dealer went way out of their way to make the customer feel like the only Customer that day.
Both will pull the 10,000+lbs 5er you are talking about so, find the one that suits you. I would have bought either, GM just didn't want to budge on the price. My first choice was the new Cummins 600, but I was going to have to order one and couldn't wait.
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Willcamp4
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Next time you go on a trip look to see what is towing the big trailers.
Ford diesels.
Heck of a note. I'm a Chevy fan who now owns a Ford.
They are all good trucks. Drive what you like and be proud of what you have. Just don't fault the next guy because he might be different. Nobody is going to convince the next guy that they are the one in the wrong, so just test drive what you are interested in and pick your favorite. You will know you got what was right for you.
Willcamp4
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