transamz9
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rhagfo wrote:transamz9 wrote:spgtti wrote:transamz9 wrote:spgtti wrote:Here's my 2 cents. In preparing to re-enter the RV world with a new 37' TT, I decided my '96 2500 12v Cummins lacked the space for my growing family of 4 + 70lb pup. So I sold it. I looked at both diesel and gas pickups with caps and 3/4 ton SUVs for the past year.
I have owned or been issued from work (9) 1 ton and 3/4 ton pick ups for the 24 years I've been driving in both gas and diesel from all 3 domestic manufacturers. I could care less about who made my truck as long as it is reliable and easy to work on when I need to.
I read all the forums until my eyes bled on the gas/diesel debate. I spent countless hours trying new calculations to figure the most cost effective and reliable vehicle that would fit our needs.
The only solid conclusion I could come to was that the EPA has ruined HD trucks as to their reliability(diesel)and tow ability(gas). The premium $ on pre '07 diesels is stupid high and newer gasser lack the displacement to do the job.
I have to disagree on one thing.The newer gas HD trucks will tow your tt pretty good. A lot better than you 12V Cummins did.
The reliability of the new diesels is still there they are just going to have to get the bugs worked out of them just like they did with the gas motors when the EPA hit them.
The aftermarket tuners are starting to get a hold on getting the new diesels running more efficient and cleaner and still getting good power gains in the meantime.
Imagine having 500 hp with all the EPA stuff still passing the tests and still running quiet with the factory exhaust. It's here!
I currently drive a 07 2500hd 2wd CC for work. It has a 6L gas burner, gets an average of 14mpg and is dog slow. Both my 12V's and my 7.3 Powerstroke would walk away from this thing @ 19mpg. My "new" TV is an 03 Yukon with an 8.1. It averages 13 mpg.
One more thing to consider is repair costs on the higher pressure injection systems and even worse catastrophic engine failures on the newer diesels. Nothing is even what I would consider reasonably priced for working class people anymore.
If your 12V and 7.3 was stock, the 6.0 LS motor in the chevy would run off and leave them both pulling the same load. It may see like a slow dog to you because it don't have any getty up and go untill around 4000 rpm. I know this engine pretty well. We have 2-2007's at work. One is a Classic and the other is new body. They are very tough engines.
Well 300 hp to at most 215 hp hands down maybe on the flat, hill maybe different!
I still run less that 280 hp and likely could leave you on a hill.
A 300 hp gasser with 6 speed trans? You won't take him if he lets it rev. You might be right with him but you won't leave him.
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Hannibal
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A 345hp 365ft/lbs will out tow a 250hp 460ft/lbs Cummins in the hills. Been there. The Hemi put more torque to the rear wheels.
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Hannibal wrote:A 345hp 365ft/lbs will out tow a 250hp 460ft/lbs Cummins in the hills. Been there. The Hemi put more torque to the rear wheels. yes it will but at 5600 RPM vs 2100RPM. no doubt It can out pull it, but listening to music while driving up that hill is a no go in the hemi. Been their, done that also.. I would rather sit at 1800-2000 RPM all day in 6th or 5th then 5-4-3rd gear and 5000 rpm
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Hannibal
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jevanb wrote:Hannibal wrote:A 345hp 365ft/lbs will out tow a 250hp 460ft/lbs Cummins in the hills. Been there. The Hemi put more torque to the rear wheels. yes it will but at 5600 RPM vs 2100RPM. no doubt It can out pull it, but listening to music while driving up that hill is a no go in the hemi. Been their, done that also.. I would rather sit at 1800-2000 RPM all day in 6th or 5th then 5-4-3rd gear and 5000 rpm
4200rpm verses 2900rpm.
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8.1 Van
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W4RLR wrote:spud1957 wrote:trail-explorer wrote:Amazing this thread has ballooned to 438 pages (based on how I have my preferences set)
Here's my take on the gas vs diesel debate - not with regard to which is better, but when someone starts doing a bunch of math to help them decide which one is better for their financial means and abilities: When they have to do they math to help them decide, they probably don't really have the financial means to afford a diesel, and should just go gas.
Me? I don't care that a diesel cost more for oil changes, etc. I want it, for a more enjoyable trip (more power, etc.) and I'm willing to pay the price for that.
It's not a whole lot different than someone comparing a prius purchase to a normal gas engine car.
Wow. Talk about an arrogant attitude. I have a gas, I can afford a diesel, I don't need a diesel for 10K lb trailer. Would it make a more perceived enjoyable drive? Subjective.
It's not a matter of affordability but that of making a sound financial decision based on needs and wants.
For someone driving a 250HP, 505TQ, 13 year old diesel, you sir need to take your nose out of the air.
S Methinks thou protests too much. Jealousy, perhaps?
My reasons for diesel (I'm on my second diesel truck, DW has a diesel Jetta Sportwagen)
Reduced fuel costs: I was typically having $700 a month fuel costs for gas vehicles. Now, about $400 and with the fuel costs dropping, even less. My wife used to have to fill up the Ford Focus wagon with a 2.0 liter gas engine twice a week.The VW Jetta with a 2.0 liter diesel, twice a month.
Simplicity ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/cool.gif "cool") hange the oil and filters at the correct time, that's about it. No spark plugs to fiddle with.
Towing: The F-250 is a beast, will tow my fiver and I have to look back every now and then to make sure that the fiver is still back there, I still get 12-14 mpg towing with the engine happily pulling the fiver at 1800 RPM.
But to each his own. My family now only has one gas powered vehicle, the Ford Focus, which at thirteen years old is now the spare vehicle that lives most of its life in retirement in the garage.
I had two PSD Excursions but sold the last one in 2007 and since I purchased my 8.1 Van gas has been much lower than diesel and today I paid $1.85 for reg unl with a credit card at my local Costco and they don't carry diesel. My van could sit for a long time in the winter and it starts quick without needing a block heater like my diesel Excursions.Diesels are ok if you use them often but I only used them for long trips and 90% of the year they just sat in the driveway.
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I agree with 8.1 Van that gas engines operational simplicity is something that needs to also be considered. I just bought a 06 Explorer XLT for doing short/quick runs and I don't miss the plugging in when cold, longer warm up periods, diesel fuel additives (cetane and lubricity), idle cool down periods (EGT's) that I have to do for the diesel. It's a whole lot quieter starting up under my neighbors windows and the heat blows hotter on extended idling.
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The Mad Norsky
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I hate to burst the bubble for some of the posts here, but most ALL the modern diesels will start just fine, without being plugged in at temperatures even below zero F.
They may idle rough, but they'll start. Proper fuel, good batteries, maybe a little anti-gel in extreme conditions, but they'll go.
Mind you, they are correct in that they do take longer to warm up. But even that has changed some. My last two vehicles in particular, a 2011 Ford diesel and my 2014 Ram diesel, warm up, blow warm air for defrost and heat much, much faster than did the 2006 Cummins or 2003 Duramax I had before these last two.
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8.1 Van
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Back in December 2000 my wife got stuck with our first PSD Excursion because the diesel fuel gelled in the filter and they towed it to the dealer to thaw out.
I see some stations are charging double for diesel compared to reg unl gas now.
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The Mad Norsky
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8.1 Van wrote:Back in December 2000 my wife got stuck with our first PSD Excursion because the diesel fuel gelled in the filter and they towed it to the dealer to thaw out.
Sorry to hear that has happened. A tough break, but generally, that is a maintenance issue, or specifically, the lack thereof.
One is usually running summer fuel when an extreme cold snap hits, and no anti-gel in the fuel tank.
That is one aspect of owning a diesel in cold climate areas. One has to think farther ahead than your current tank of fuel. Knowing what is in your tank and comparing that to forecast weather temperatures should get one ready to add anti-gel at the very least.
I've never had one gel up on me, but believe I came really close one morning at -50 F. Wow, that was a brutal day.
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You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.
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