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06Fargo wrote: I am one of those dummies that runs 91 octane if the book says use 91 octane...)
There's nothing Dumb about that.
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This thread is getting ridiculous and resembles a fruit basket from all the comparing of apples to oranges...
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It doesn't matter what fruit you compare.
The diesel guys don't believe any of it.
The truth: A modern diesel gets 2-3 better mpg towing and unloaded. costs 8-10k more. is only worth a couple (2-4) of mph more climbing a hill, and is likely to never pencil out as a financial decision. Lots of people like them and enjoy towing with them more and they sell lots of them for a reason but when you actually apply numbers to them they don't make practical sense for most people.
For those that WANT and can easily afford a diesel then hey this is America (or Canada) the land of the semi free. If diesel floats your boat then get one.
I do take offense to those that are continually told possibly to the detriment of their limited financial situation that they NEED a diesel.
I also take offense to inaccurate statements about the differences between gas and diesel. (i.e. diesel engines always produce better low end power when the truth is turbocharged engines produce better low end power. a turbo gas engine of similar displacement will produce very similar low end power and then continue to rev out and produce much higher upper rpm power than a comparable diesel)
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I have watched this thread for years; only occasionally offering my thoughts. I was always a gas guy; big block Chevys in particular. Loved them; still do. Pass everything on the road but a gas station. I Used to call e diesel guys out at evey opportunity. We towed heavy to FL one year; got 5-6 mpg and had to add a quart of oil twice. Finally bought a diesel when a good deal came along. Same trip with my Duramax got 9-11 mpg. No oil. BIG difference. Then Chevy shot themselves in the foot again by doing what they usually do by NOT giving the people what they want; they discontinued the 8.1 making the 6.0 the only gas option in the 2500/3500 truck. They did increase the power but "there is no replacement for cubic displacement". Comparatively, the engine is a dog for towing. It needs high RPM's to make power and screams like a banshee when it does. You also cannot get the Allison trans unless you get the Duramax which is worth the price of admission. The diesel does what the gas will, but it does it effortlessly. Makes the trip easier, less stressful. The only way I'd sell my 2500HD is if Chevy put the Duramax in the Suburban; remember what I said about them giving the people what they want? I think I'll have my truck for a very long time.
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Taco wrote:I have posted this engine before. It is a 9 liter turbo gas engine, it is a factory produced engine with a warranty and runs on 91 octane pump gas. It is made to run high loads for very long lengths of time.
For those that think gas engines don't make big torque down low try 1300 ft lbs at 2200 rpm where this dyno pull begins.
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Now remember a 9 liter gas engine fits easily in a pickup.
Do you diesel guys still think a diesel has a power advantage anywhere in the power band?
That's all well and good, but which truck manufacturers offer this engine as an option? How many are actually in use in the road? What does it cost and what kind of mpg does it get?
This motor may fit in a pickup, but as far as I can tell I can’t go to the lot and buy one. And it seems to me a guy would have a lot more than the $8k for the Duramax/Allison in retrofitting one of these in a stock truck. If $8k for a Duramax, CTD, or Power Stroke doesn’t make financial sense, this thing sure wouldn’t.
That was sort of my point earlier. When I went to the lot and compared what I could actually buy, the Duramax won hands down...for what I wanted. All the Big Three put solid gas engines in their pickups, but none of them have the power or torque of their diesel counterparts.
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waynec1957 wrote:Taco wrote:I have posted this engine before. It is a 9 liter turbo gas engine, it is a factory produced engine with a warranty and runs on 91 octane pump gas. It is made to run high loads for very long lengths of time.
For those that think gas engines don't make big torque down low try 1300 ft lbs at 2200 rpm where this dyno pull begins.
Engine
Now remember a 9 liter gas engine fits easily in a pickup.
Do you diesel guys still think a diesel has a power advantage anywhere in the power band?
That's all well and good, but which truck manufacturers offer this engine as an option? How many are actually in use in the road? What does it cost and what kind of mpg does it get?
This motor may fit in a pickup, but as far as I can tell I can’t go to the lot and buy one. And it seems to me a guy would have a lot more than the $8k for the Duramax/Allison in retrofitting one of these in a stock truck. If $8k for a Duramax, CTD, or Power Stroke doesn’t make financial sense, this thing sure wouldn’t.
That was sort of my point earlier. When I went to the lot and compared what I could actually buy, the Duramax won hands down...for what I wanted. All the Big Three put solid gas engines in their pickups, but none of them have the power or torque of their diesel counterparts.
It was an answer to a different issue. The issue that folks think torque production has anything to do with an engine being a diesel. When in fact it has to do with the engine being turbocharged.
You think you bought so much extra power for 8k but what it really shakes out to is only a couple extra mph up a hill.
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Quote:You think you bought so much extra power for 8k but what it really shakes out to is only a couple extra mph up a hill.
AND the heavier duty transmission. AND the heavier duty rear axle. AND better fuel economy. AND effortless towing. AND way higher resale value. AND CDI factor. AND the list goes on AND on...
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rcpd34 wrote:Quote:You think you bought so much extra power for 8k but what it really shakes out to is only a couple extra mph up a hill.
AND the heavier duty transmission. AND the heavier duty rear axle. AND better fuel economy. AND effortless towing. AND way higher resale value. AND CDI factor. AND the list goes on AND on... ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") and the ability to run a sub 13. 1/4 with out breaking the bank.. I like racing...
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rcpd34 wrote:Quote:You think you bought so much extra power for 8k but what it really shakes out to is only a couple extra mph up a hill.
AND the heavier duty transmission. AND the heavier duty rear axle. AND better fuel economy. AND effortless towing. AND way higher resale value. AND CDI factor. AND the list goes on AND on...
Let me translate:
heavier duty transmission and heavier duty rear axle- lower payload
better fuel economy and higher resale value- doesn't pencil out to lower cost of ownership in most cases.
effortless towing- I am too weak to push an accelerator pedal and am afraid of the sound of a gas engine running at 5000 rpm.
CDI factor- I buy a truck to make me cool
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rcpd34 wrote:Quote:You think you bought so much extra power for 8k but what it really shakes out to is only a couple extra mph up a hill.
AND the heavier duty transmission. AND the heavier duty rear axle. AND better fuel economy. AND effortless towing. AND way higher resale value. AND CDI (Really? Even if we drop to the 14 year old boy mental level here, that's not many women that are impressed by the fuel type and not just the large truck itself.) factor. AND the list goes on AND on...
AND less payload, And more expensive fuel, AND more costly maintenance, AND DEF, AND Block Heaters, AND more expensive repairs, AND not being able to fill up at ANY station anywhere, AND the list goes on AND on
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