setraveler
SE usa
New Member
Joined: 02/10/2007
View Profile
 Offline
|
NOTE ON BUYING NEW 2008-09 etc... We are still looking at around 35-37 feet diesel and plan to tow. VERY little dealer info on what is required of towed car, how it is hooked up, front wheels of ground, etc.. or costs or what is best method hardware to use to tow
BUT REAL RIP OFF we found was the TV sets. NEALY ALL say.. "LCD" etc..b BUT.. we found that nearly ALL were of the LCD BUT NOT HD.. which will be ONLY ones OK after digital kicks in. We asked dealers about that and got kind of dumb look of "Aw well....etc". One said NOT an issue as you will go Sat for receiving. so asked about what happens if we want local TV if parked somewhere as "local while on move" is question? We then find that a lot of "LCD" TV on sale, and more so installed in RV's is NOT HD.. and friend in TV business aaid, huge discounts being given at whole sale levels on the NOT HD but are LCD for use in any area, not just homes.. So WATCH what you get. the "Big LCD may not quite be what you thought it was.. and none could discuss if we wanted to play CD's, the old ones we have, as well as the new HD what happens then???? Seems that buying and knowing what you get is more difficult each day.. more so in RV land.
|
retiredlife
USA
New Member
Joined: 06/12/2007
View Profile
Offline
|
setraveler wrote:NOTE ON BUYING NEW 2008-09 etc... We are still looking at around 35-37 feet diesel and plan to tow. VERY little dealer info on what is required of towed car, how it is hooked up, front wheels of ground, etc.. or costs or what is best method hardware to use to tow
BUT REAL RIP OFF we found was the TV sets. NEALY ALL say.. "LCD" etc..b BUT.. we found that nearly ALL were of the LCD BUT NOT HD.. which will be ONLY ones OK after digital kicks in. We asked dealers about that and got kind of dumb look of "Aw well....etc". One said NOT an issue as you will go Sat for receiving. so asked about what happens if we want local TV if parked somewhere as "local while on move" is question? We then find that a lot of "LCD" TV on sale, and more so installed in RV's is NOT HD.. and friend in TV business aaid, huge discounts being given at whole sale levels on the NOT HD but are LCD for use in any area, not just homes.. So WATCH what you get. the "Big LCD may not quite be what you thought it was.. and none could discuss if we wanted to play CD's, the old ones we have, as well as the new HD what happens then???? Seems that buying and knowing what you get is more difficult each day.. more so in RV land.
I have a Toyota that I use as a tow vehicle. Since it is necessary for the front wheels to be off the ground during towing, I bought the Demco Kar Kaddy SS. Retail Price is around $3500, however you can buy it for around $2300 on the net.
Frank & Carmela
2008 Monaco Diplomat
|
vettepilot
Enterprise, Alabama
New Member
Joined: 11/13/2006
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
Offline
|
Don't depend on the RV dealer to know about your towed vehicle rewquirements, they can barely keep up with the new RV models and how they work. Your best place it to visit your local automobile dealer for the brand and model specific information. Ask if you can look through an owners manual for towing requirements. That's the only way to get the correct information in the shortest amount of time.
Your TV comment lends me to believe you are confused on the HD and Digital TV differances. First, TVs come in CRT (conventional Cathode Ray Tube), LCD, Plasma, and rear projection. All those could be Digital or analog, they all could be HD too. What one has to look for is the tuner, if it is analog tuning, that set will need a converter box to convert the new digital signal to a useable analog signal for the tuner to work. If it has a digital tuner it is capable of recieving the using the new digital signal as it arrives at the set.
Remember, just because a set has a digital tuner, doesn'r mean it is an HD set. To be an HD set, it has to have at least 920 lines of horizontal resolution, 1080 is better. Also, there is progressive scan and interlaced scanning to consider. In progressive scanning each line of resolution is refreshed during every scan, if it is interlaced, every other line is refreshed during each scan. (Each scan being the sweep of the total horizontal lines of the screen resolution by the TV color gun or electronic picture build in LCDs or Plasma sets).
So there you have it in a nutshell, digital does not mean HD, HD does not mean it is a digital tuner. Look for the phrase or similar that says DIGITAL TUNER. Hope this clears up the confusion on HD vs Digital.
Re: HD DVDs, the Blue Ray by Sony has taken the ball and is going to be the driver of the HD DVD format. Toshiba's HD format is out although there are players out there that can decode and play either.
The signals sent by all DVD or VCR players are broken down inside the player so there are several options for connecting the player to the video input of the viewing device or TV set. But that's a whole other story to tell.
setraveler wrote:NOTE ON BUYING NEW 2008-09 etc... We are still looking at around 35-37 feet diesel and plan to tow. VERY little dealer info on what is required of towed car, how it is hooked up, front wheels of ground, etc.. or costs or what is best method hardware to use to tow
BUT REAL RIP OFF we found was the TV sets. NEALY ALL say.. "LCD" etc..b BUT.. we found that nearly ALL were of the LCD BUT NOT HD.. which will be ONLY ones OK after digital kicks in. We asked dealers about that and got kind of dumb look of "Aw well....etc". One said NOT an issue as you will go Sat for receiving. so asked about what happens if we want local TV if parked somewhere as "local while on move" is question? We then find that a lot of "LCD" TV on sale, and more so installed in RV's is NOT HD.. and friend in TV business aaid, huge discounts being given at whole sale levels on the NOT HD but are LCD for use in any area, not just homes.. So WATCH what you get. the "Big LCD may not quite be what you thought it was.. and none could discuss if we wanted to play CD's, the old ones we have, as well as the new HD what happens then???? Seems that buying and knowing what you get is more difficult each day.. more so in RV land.
* This post was
edited 04/28/08 10:08am by vettepilot *
2005 Fleetwood Expedition
34h floorplan, C7 300 HP DP
2007 Saturn Vue Hybrid
2002 Corvette Z06
2000 Chevy S-10
|
setraveler
SE usa
New Member
Joined: 02/10/2007
View Profile
Offline
|
uwrote
Your TV comment lends me to believe you are confused on the HD and Digital TV differances. First, TVs come in CRT (conventional Cathode Ray Tube), LCD, Plasma, and rear projection. All those could be Digital or analog, they all could be HD too. What one has to look for is the tuner, if it is analog tuning, that set will need a converter box to convert the new digital signal to a useable analog signal for the tuner to work. If it has a digital tuner it is capable of recieving the using the new digital signal as it arrives at the set.
What I was saying is HD is digital and a TV that is listed as "LCD" liq crystal may NOT be an HD it maybe analog.. and a lot of them area..and as such are being dumped..HD to me refers to digital as analog will not process new HD signals.. starting in FEB 2009.. converter box is OK but another 100 bucks or so for BOTH TV's... front and rear.. for local stations as dish/cable are handling it for you, regardless of A or D set. BUT the dealers never mention which is on board..nor it seems like to ba asked. ANOTHER biggy with the group that loosely falls under LCD.plasma etc.. is the view angles also shift depending on type. and that we found real drive on one outside unit that pretty much demanded head on look only. later we found it was not digital and was one of many being dumped. NOTE Circuit City and others fined big time by FCC or such for selling Analogs and kind of forgetting to advise consumers of impact of 2009.. which by LAW they were required to do.. Getting so when looking at any unit..
I now approach it as a swindle waiting to happen....from experiences so far get a bit fed up with what we hear and see.. but then that is not limited to RV's.. seems the scam is often the selling points.I have heard but never confirmed that it is not illegal to turn back miles on RV as some say it is not covered by laws in some states..We are in no hurry to buy....so we look, take notes and seek advise... towing is one item we are concerned with.. as a side story our neighbors had a tow civic.. they had VERY low insurance rate for car as not used much. but ins looked at miles on it.. mostly all towed..and raised their rates.. even though tow car and RV carries ins for towed car. They were livid.. but tried it and now prefer a tow rig that has auto front wheels off ground... Kind of curious about various tow car hook ups..how they are installed on car side.. lights they use are ones that are not part of car.. and no brake on tow via RV..
Thought on tow.. good and bad...probably use small cross over or civic sized car..
|
fourfurz
Memphis
Senior Member
Joined: 03/23/2008
View Profile
|
A 4 down towed vehicle usually doesn't accumulate any miles being towed. We have a 2006 Honda CRV and a 2006 Rubicon, both add zero miles when being towed. A Civic is essentially the same as a CRV, so I expect it wouldn't run up any miles while being towed either.
2007 Mountain Aire 4528
2006 CRV SE
Based in Memphis area
|
|
|
setraveler
SE usa
New Member
Joined: 02/10/2007
View Profile
Offline
|
Their civic is a very old model.. one of the square shaped ones..that they WILL NOT SELL.. maybe a 70's series.. has over 200K and at least one new engine... can it be model specific for miles? I asked them about it and am waiting for response..but something gave the miles to ins co. which raised the rates.. even if car towed..
|
jjsedona
arizona
New Member
Joined: 03/15/2008
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
Offline
|
First Time Buyers in Phoenix and elsewhere,
After the fact. After purchasing a used 2004 pusher from Beaudry RV in Phoenix and experiencing some very difficult situations and safety issues we checked with the Better Business Bureau to discover they had an UNSATISFACTORY rating with BBB.
Shame on us, unexperienced RV buyers who made a very big emotional compulsive mistake.
Please make sure to check with the BBB to find out how other consumer's rate the business you are dealing with.
JJsedona
|
Gale Hawkins
Murray, KY
Senior Member
Joined: 07/22/2007
View Profile
Offline
|
JJ thanks for the info and I am sad this happened and even more sad that this is repeated daily across the USA. We can expect this to get worse if more dealers find themselves not being profitable due to the market factors.
I personally would like to see more first time buyers stay below $25K on their first time MH purchase. While many of you will disagree with me here is where I am coming from. Now nearly a year after our first MH purchase I fully understand (even after reading this forum many hours before our purchase) that we were really still clueless and just got lucky more than any thing else.
Why a $25K buy in price cap? Well it does not have to be that high but the fact remains that for $25K you can an MH that is has about the same functional service life of a $250K MH.
If it does not work out for you or you want trade up a year later because it did work out for you it is hard to loose more than $10K but it could be nothing. After a year dumping a new $250K rig could cost you $100K+.
The lessons learned that first year of MH ownership will be about the same. The only huge difference is tuition cost. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/frown.gif "frown")
|
retiredlife
USA
New Member
Joined: 06/12/2007
View Profile
Offline
|
jjsedona wrote:First Time Buyers in Phoenix and elsewhere,
After the fact. After purchasing a used 2004 pusher from Beaudry RV in Phoenix and experiencing some very difficult situations and safety issues we checked with the Better Business Bureau to discover they had an UNSATISFACTORY rating with BBB.
Shame on us, unexperienced RV buyers who made a very big emotional compulsive mistake.
Please make sure to check with the BBB to find out how other consumer's rate the business you are dealing with.
JJsedona
I posted a thread on Beaudry RV about a month back. I got ripped off by them too, except on service issues, not a new purchase. I am glad I didn't buy anything from them
|
mohomojo
So Cal
Full Member
Joined: 06/12/2008
View Profile
Good Sam RV Club Member
Offline
|
TC(Tim)here of TCandDC,
Your post is both informative and helpful as was intended. You just answered a ton of our questions and helped guide us through many things we would have not done. Looks like we came to the right place here at RV.net and just in time. We are real close to buying a 42' Class A Motor home and this post helped us out more than you can imagine.
Thanks JT
"> Visit my Nature and Wildlife Photo Gallery at:
http://www.socalt.com
|
|
|
