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Thanks for all the replies. Or almost all of the replies. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile")
I called my local Ford dealer and they had the part in stock. It cost me $223 plus tax, which was a little cheaper than eBay. I then walked over to service and they said they will install and program it for $275. I made an appointment for a week from now. I may take a look at opening up the dashboard and install it. But I would still need to pay someone to activate it. I don't think I would mess with the computer myself, although I have read about the Forscan program. Maybe if there's a video that shows me how easy it is to do the Forscan adjustment, I might change my mind. They would probably charge me $100 to program the computer so for an extra $175 I may just pay them to save me the work and risk of messing it up. It looks like I'm going to die with money in the bank anyway.
The reason I said that OEM seems to be preferable over after market even though I have no experience to back up my opinion is because I read another thread in this forum while doing research and it seemed that was the majority opinion in that thread. Add to that the fact that most after market controllers need to drill holes into the dash board and my vote is to go with the original control which mounts seamlessly into the dashboard.
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Groover wrote:The factory controller has the ability to access vehicle stability information and take steps to control an unstable trailer. That could be a life saver.
You need to be aware that the factor controller (at least in my 2016) model turns off the brakes below about 3mph, presumably to prevent burning up the brake actuators. There will be times that you don't want that to happen and you should keep a hand on the manual override. Example: coming down a steep gravel drive and trying to make a sharp turn onto a gravel road. I nearly got pushed off the side of a mountain once. It took me a while to figure out why. Any stop on a steep hill while towing heavy can be a challenge. In my case I am towing a trailer about twice as heavy as the truck.
Good info, concerning the OEM IBC no longer braking as you approach a full stop. I do think mine stops braking at more like 6-8 mph, rather than 3 mph. Good that the OP understands this, does not think his is not working correctly.
I also use the manual levers at times, slowing to stop, just saves a little on truck brakes, but not truly necessary, especially with trailers under 10K.
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My 21 F350 is capable of towing 18,000 lbs, but like Steve’s, didn’t come with a brake controller. Dealer wanted $300 for the controller and $100 to install. Bought a $40 Ebay and had the dealer install for the $100. Works well.
This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose.
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Grit dog wrote:^So you’re saying the new Fords that don’t come with an IBC don’t come with an adapter and are no longer plug and play?
That’s horrible. Installing a brake controller in every brand of truck for the last 20+ years has been a snap.
My recommendation was considering that the OP does not appear equipped to do any sort of moderately involved work. And traditionally, adding an aftermarket brake controller was about as easy as falling off a log with no calks.
Not what I'm saying, didn't mean to stutter.
To clarify...IDK if OPs truck came with the OEM adapter, but I think it is likely. The OP would have to do same dash disassembly with either BC, in order to access the OEM port/plug. While the IBC module/controller attaches right to the waiting plug, the P3 would require using the Ford adapter, which will likely be 4 simple splices to the P3.
The IBC just pushes into opening, snaps in, done. The P3 needs locating best spot, drill a couple holes, keeping level side/side. Either install easy, but the IBC, just a bit easier, other than going to dealer for flash.
OP said cost not an issue. Personally, I would always spend more for factory setup, that comes with some advantages.
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MFL wrote:Grit dog wrote:^So you’re saying the new Fords that don’t come with an IBC don’t come with an adapter and are no longer plug and play?
That’s horrible. Installing a brake controller in every brand of truck for the last 20+ years has been a snap.
My recommendation was considering that the OP does not appear equipped to do any sort of moderately involved work. And traditionally, adding an aftermarket brake controller was about as easy as falling off a log with no calks.
Not what I'm saying, didn't mean to stutter.
To clarify...IDK if OPs truck came with the OEM adapter, but I think it is likely. The OP would have to do same dash disassembly with either BC, in order to access the OEM port/plug. While the IBC module/controller attaches right to the waiting plug, the P3 would require using the Ford adapter, which will likely be 4 simple splices to the P3.
The IBC just pushes into opening, snaps in, done. The P3 needs locating best spot, drill a couple holes, keeping level side/side. Either install easy, but the IBC, just a bit easier, other than going to dealer for flash.
OP said cost not an issue. Personally, I would always spend more for factory setup, that comes with some advantages.
Jerry
Here is a photo of what was in my glove box. I also see a key which may be for the spare tire. If it is, I want to make a copy, quick. I just need to find a few minutes to look in the manual. As for the brake controller, I bought the factory version Friday from a dealer. I set up an appointment for Monday to get it installed.
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The top one is the adapter plug to make an aftermarket brake controller plug n play.
It’s not likely the same location where the OE one plugs in (speculating here since it’s just the typical 4 wire setup).
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Yup..that's the adapter for aftermarket.
Grit...we know the OP is using the IBC module. While I can't say for certain either, that the adapter connects to same point, I'd bet an Andy Jack that it does. From experience, I've noticed comparing adapter plug to OEM connection, that the adapter has empty pin slots, but mates/works as designed.
^If I'm wrong, I'll pay double, but you'll have to come here to collect.
Anyway, OP...I am a fussy guy with my new stuff. I would install that module in the dash myself, then let dealer flash. SB, $100 or less. I don't worry about cost, most times, but my concern is, did the tech put my dash back together correctly, did he strip a screw clip, using his power ratchet, will my dash rattle from not being tight enough, screw missing (that he couldn't find)?
Lol...that's just me though! Issues? maybe
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^If there’s empty pins in the adapter then I stand corrected and wouldn’t take your bet! Lol
But I’ll pay up anyway! Lol.
Guess I haven’t messed with any of the numerous new trucks I’ve had since IBCs became options. Because they’ve all had the IBC option. From bare bones strippers to fully optioned trucks.
Makes sense what you say though since the source and load home runs are the same whether add on or IBC.
I’m a bit particular as well. I’m also cheap and would prolly do it the same as you. Whereas I was trying to provide the OP another option that would be less costly and a super easy diy if he felt inclined.
Aftermarket quality brake controller and 4 simple butt connections on wires that are already labored and color coded is not necessarily easier than an IBC install but removes the part of the equation where he was admittedly susceptible to buying a knockoff part and then getting bent over to have the stealer install and/or program it.
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HUGE FORSCAN sticky on the F150 forum.
Yes, it’s a FREE license that you apply for, good for a set period but can be renewed. You need an OBD adapter than runs under $30 on Amazon and a Windows laptop or Apple with a Windows emulator. Then you can change ANYTHING computer controlled on you Ford truck.
Many on the F150 forum who bought the cheap ITBCs off eBay had problems with them.
Using a factory ITBC instead of a prodigy or similar integrates the controller with your digital dash displays and controls and tracks each trailer, mileage, brake settings, ect., even checks the trailer lights.
That price for the dealer supplied TBC and install costs is reasonable, especially for what we have invested in our trucks. Go for it. Plus it’s covered for 12 months warranty as a factory part.
Key in glovebox COULD be for the BoxLink removable bed tie downs.
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^Well that’s awesome that FoMoCo allows the consumer to access the software previously reserved for dealer services.
Hard to believe they’ll allow all the available configuration changes that “can” be made but don’t necessarily conform to any or all local or national regulations.
Seems a liability if they’re allowing things like changing tpms thresholds, drls, fog light activation, stationary dpf regens, imperial to metric gauges, etc, to name a few.
But if that’s the case, that’s HUGE for the diy type Ford owners!
On another note, the lack of ITBCs in Covid era trucks could be due to supply chain issues I wonder? As it was definitely not the norm to see any HD pickups especially those apparently specifically equipped to tow heavy, like the previous example, without ITBCs.
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