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@Reisneder (sparing y’all from the huge multi quote )
You generally do a good job of trying to stay “un-biased” in your EV opinions and experiences. Recently anyway. Not like you were before you took a break from Rvnet.
But feigning ignorance about carbon credits is not good for your credibility as someone who is very in love with their EV but purports to see both sides of the fence.
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ktmrfs wrote:free radical wrote:Durb wrote:Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.
Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.
It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.
Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .
Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.
Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?
Check Munro live chanel for answers
Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.
1) It took tesla 10 years before they turned a profit. And it's not clear to me if one looks at Teslas net lossed during startup and net profits if the number is yet positive.
2) Ford and other mfg have developed Mfg lines to support volume production, until they hit those volumes profit suffers, not unusual just like early tesla
3) I big part of Tesla profits in the past wasn't from selling cars but from selling the energy credits for the cars to other companies. Even in 2022 Carbon credits were 20% of Tesla profits. tesla's lifetime profit picture is even worse if one takes the time value of money into consideration.
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FishOnOne
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Looks like another band aid fix to EV trucks.
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FishOnOne wrote:Looks like another band aid fix to EV trucks.
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yep, starting @ $125k lmao
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monkey44
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^^^^ Yup ... Long way to go for trucks and RVs. It's like comparing a 125cc Honda Trail to a 1200cc Harley Davidson. If you make the Honda big enough, you get a Honda/Harley. But the efficiency and effectiveness data you compare is worthless.
EVs have a useful place in the city or short runs in the suburbs, but are way less effective on long trip, or hauling weight. It may get there someday, but not today and not tomorrow.
Hauling a trailer with its own subordinate battery is, technically, just building an EV with a larger capacity battery. Takes no less electrical energy to charge it and move the same weight the same number of miles.
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Reisender is always talking about how little time it takes to charge his Tesla towing his tiny tear drop trailer.
Ok cool. But lets see how long it takes to charge a big truck battery towing an average trailer that an American tows in the states.
Click here to see the harsh truth.
Now remember, if you tow an average trailer that I see on the road it will only get you about 100 miles before you need a recharge. And remember, if it's cold out you can cut that range by 25 to 50%! So now you can only go 50 to 75 miles before you need a recharge.
I have heard some people on this site say things like I will just charge up at the campground pedestal. Nope, not going to happen for several reasons. One is campgrounds are banning charging up at the campground pedestal. The two campgrounds I camped at last year had rules that stated no charging at campground pedestals. Another reason is the amount of time it takes to charge a large battery. 4 days for level 1 for the example above.
Now if you happen to have that trailer that Fish gave an example about, now you have 2 very large batteries that need to be charged. Just think how long that will take to charge.
Batteries work great for low power demands. Things like drills and impact wrenches work great!!! Motorcycles are another great use of battery power.
Pickup's and semi's. Not so good.
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Turtle,
For long trips with larger loads, I'll ahree with your comments. I personally believe that in a few years the over 10,000-50,000 gvw rig doing local delivery with in cities at 100-200 mikes max per day are with in design relm. That could help in local pollution issues etc.
Probably hence why some of us, see EV's as a good coice for some, not so great today for others.
LP is another fuel, good for the city iI grew up in, most of the police, parks dept, DOT etc rigs are LP with some EV hybrids in the mix today. These alternate fuels can work. Yes ive shown a municipality as an example. I have family with hybrids, one bought a BMW EV recently. I dont see these working for me anytime soon. It woukd work for spouses rig.
Cost will kill the EV option for many people. especially lower income.
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Turtle n Peeps wrote:Reisender is always talking about how little time it takes to charge his Tesla towing his tiny tear drop trailer.
Ok cool. But lets see how long it takes to charge a big truck battery towing an average trailer that an American tows in the states.
Click here to see the harsh truth.
Now remember, if you tow an average trailer that I see on the road it will only get you about 100 miles before you need a recharge. And remember, if it's cold out you can cut that range by 25 to 50%! So now you can only go 50 to 75 miles before you need a recharge.
I have heard some people on this site say things like I will just charge up at the campground pedestal. Nope, not going to happen for several reasons. One is campgrounds are banning charging up at the campground pedestal. The two campgrounds I camped at last year had rules that stated no charging at campground pedestals. Another reason is the amount of time it takes to charge a large battery. 4 days for level 1 for the example above.
Now if you happen to have that trailer that Fish gave an example about, now you have 2 very large batteries that need to be charged. Just think how long that will take to charge.
Batteries work great for low power demands. Things like drills and impact wrenches work great!!! Motorcycles are another great use of battery power.
Pickup's and semi's. Not so good.
Yah some good points. Even with our little trailer SUV combo charging takes a while, and it’s not a big battery.
Currently EV’s that tow are only suitable for towing small more aerodynamic trailers like tear drops etc. . They do that pretty well and provide a nice towing experience. Larger trailers are much better suited to gas or diesel.
But certainly present EV towing will continue to advance and do will charging speeds. Megachargers charge a semi in 30 to 45 minutes. I’m sure the megacharger technology will filter down to future electric pickups that are better suited to tow than current ones.
Who knows. Time will tell. But the technology and product offerings seem to be changing pretty fast. And consumer demand for EV’s is not waning so I suspect technology evolution will continue.
I’ll disagree on campground charging. More and more campgrounds are adding charging facilities. It’s an amenity they can offer and generate revenue. I’m sure it will continue. We have never had an issue charging in a campground. Charge costs have been reasonable so far although admittedly at least for us most have not asked for payment, and that’s probably because we mostly rent 30 amp sites. (It’s just a little trailer). I’m sure the pickup crowd would want a 50 amp site as they have bigger batteries than our SUV.
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Cptnvideo wrote:bikendan wrote:
"becoming"? They already have!
We were native Californians who moved out when we retired. We moved to Washington State, which was Californicated in only 7 years. Now we're in Arizona and hope it doesn't happen here.
Me, too. If it happens here in AZ, we'll move to TX. We spent 2 weeks at Cotton Lane RV Park in Feb. Now we're boondocking near Bouse, AZ. Planning on going to the Lassen area for DW, but will travel in NV as far as we can before entering _____.
LOL when we travel the very very very LAST thing on our mind is carrying about state "color", it's about enjoying the best states have to offer for and RV experience, travel experience etc.
Staying in AZ till you can get the shortest "shot" to Lassen means your likely to miss some great CA campgrounds and places to see, Hat creek, Burney Falls, some of the old gold mining towns.
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Oh..it will happen. We as individuals will not be able to own them due to how expensive they will be. We will have to Uber or Lyft when we want to go somewhere.
My 2cents.
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