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https://youmatter.world/en/are-electric-cars-eco-friendly-and-zero-emission-vehicles-26440/


Published at 2018, September 25th


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https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1031434711/your-next-car-may-be-built-with-ocean-rocks-scientists-cant-agree-if-thats-good


Published September 3, 2021

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https://www.motorbiscuit.com/ev-car-batteries-destroy-environment-violate-human-rights/

Owned by a stock advice company which attempts to "read" the market.








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https://climate360news.lmu.edu/lithium-not-as-clean-as-we-thought/

While electric cars reduce fossil fuel emissions once they are on the road, the production of the lithium-ion batteries that power them causes more displacement and CO2 emissions than the production of regular gas-powered cars. Disposal of the batteries at the end of their life cycle is also a growing concern.

Published Jan 14 2022

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This arguing back and forth is just silly.

It's a fairly new technology. Of course there are people who are for it and against it. Just like in the early days of ICE vehicles, household electricity, televisions, cell phones, home computers, etc.

Government mandates are to try to convince the auto companies to make strides in alternative fuel vehicles. It's working. Even just five years ago, there were very few options. Now there are that more choices and more coming every year.

There will be early adopters. The technology will see improvements, and maybe some new directions. Then the masses will start accepting it.

And then there are those few who won't embrace it until the very end because: 1) they can't handle change, 2) they cannot accept that there are other ways of doing things, and/or 3) they can't accept they were wrong,


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toedtoes wrote:

This arguing back and forth is just silly.

It's a fairly new technology. Of course there are people who are for it and against it. Just like in the early days of ICE vehicles, household electricity, televisions, cell phones, home computers, etc.

Government mandates are to try to convince the auto companies to make strides in alternative fuel vehicles. It's working. Even just five years ago, there were very few options. Now there are that more choices and more coming every year.

There will be early adopters. The technology will see improvements, and maybe some new directions. Then the masses will start accepting it.

And then there are those few who won't embrace it until the very end because: 1) they can't handle change, 2) they cannot accept that there are other ways of doing things, and/or 3) they can't accept they were wrong,


There are plenty of sheeple in the world to be led down the garden path.

Plenty of us want to walk our own path. Forcing things on us is not the right direction.

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No one is forcing anything. No one is forcing you to go to a dealership and buy an EV today or tomorrow.

Stop fussing over stuff that isn't happening. Stop creating conspiracies that aren't there.

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toedtoes wrote:

No one is forcing anything. No one is forcing you to go to a dealership and buy an EV today or tomorrow.

Stop fussing over stuff that isn't happening. Stop creating conspiracies that aren't there.


Ah but you're wrong. The government has pumped Billions into the EV industry making Musk the richest man in the world. Where does that money come from? It comes from tax payers. So yeah, I am being forced to contribute whether I want to or not. And if you haven't missed it by the dozens of pages of these arguments, that's the biggest rub. It is being forced - literally forced, because EV's couldn't make it on their own for the past 100 years. Capital injection from taxpayers backed by cherry picked, half baked science, forcing auto makers to bend to your will is not the way to go about it all in the mantra of saving the planet. But Ev's won't save the planet. This isn't about being resistant to change, or being dumb or being a science denier. The contrary - it's about peeing down my back and telling me it's raining while forcing me to pay for it.


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way2roll wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

No one is forcing anything. No one is forcing you to go to a dealership and buy an EV today or tomorrow.

Stop fussing over stuff that isn't happening. Stop creating conspiracies that aren't there.


Ah but you're wrong. The government has pumped Billions into the EV industry making Musk the richest man in the world. Where does that money come from? It comes from tax payers. So yeah, I am being forced to contribute whether I want to or not. And if you haven't missed it by the dozens of pages of these arguments, that's the biggest rub. It is being forced - literally forced, because EV's couldn't make it on their own for the past 100 years. Capital injection from taxpayers backed by cherry picked, half baked science, forcing auto makers to bend to your will is not the way to go about it all in the mantra of saving the planet. But Ev's won't save the planet. This isn't about being resistant to change, or being dumb or being a science denier. The contrary - it's about peeing down my back and telling me it's raining while forcing me to pay for it.


So which EV are you getting and when do you pick it up?

In for pics.

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propchef wrote:

way2roll wrote:

toedtoes wrote:

No one is forcing anything. No one is forcing you to go to a dealership and buy an EV today or tomorrow.

Stop fussing over stuff that isn't happening. Stop creating conspiracies that aren't there.


Ah but you're wrong. The government has pumped Billions into the EV industry making Musk the richest man in the world. Where does that money come from? It comes from tax payers. So yeah, I am being forced to contribute whether I want to or not. And if you haven't missed it by the dozens of pages of these arguments, that's the biggest rub. It is being forced - literally forced, because EV's couldn't make it on their own for the past 100 years. Capital injection from taxpayers backed by cherry picked, half baked science, forcing auto makers to bend to your will is not the way to go about it all in the mantra of saving the planet. But Ev's won't save the planet. This isn't about being resistant to change, or being dumb or being a science denier. The contrary - it's about peeing down my back and telling me it's raining while forcing me to pay for it.


So which EV are you getting and when do you pick it up?

In for pics.


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