BCSnob
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Do people want utilities to increase generation capacity (passing these capital investment costs onto consumers) based upon the most aggressive predictions of EV adoption (putting the horse before the cart) or continue to build in capacity based upon changes in measured demand?
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pianotuna
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Reisender wrote:
Yah for sure. Different areas have different challenges. But BC hydro is fairly indicative of most of Canada. Hydro Quebec has similar info on their website etc.
It’s a slow transition. I’m sure the various utilities will figure it out. Those that don’t will look like 3rd world entities. I’m sure they’ll want to avoid that. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/smile.gif "smile") .
And Saskatchewan is the total antitheses with little hydro generation. Fossils rule the roost.
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pianotuna
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BCSnob,
Think of EV growth as you would a graph of Covid.
Ontario Hydro has transmission woes in Sudbury. Many homes have small 2 stroke generators and are using suicide cords during the frequent outages. In some cases when the power is off there is so much back feeding going on that an incandescent light will glow faintly.
I'm also reminded of some directions I got while tuning pianos in rural Saskatchewan. "turn right at the power line road". Only one small problem, the power line had been buried many years before.
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BCSnob wrote:shelbyfv wrote:BCSnob wrote:In other words “the cart before the horse” (in terms of power generation) is a false argument against adoption of EVs because increasing power generation requires there be incentives for the power companies. I don't have a clue what all this means. ![[emoticon]](http://www.coastresorts.com/sharedcontent/cfb/images/scratchead.gif "scratchead") One argument posted here against the adoption of EV: the grid doesn’t have the power generation capacity needed for charging EVs. Adoption of EVs is putting “the cart before the horse”.
The faulty logic in this argument is power generation capacity won’t be increased until the demand for power increases by the adoption of EVs. Why would companies pay for a large increase in power generation unless they see there will be a return on investment?
Straw man argument. How is the logic faulty? So there isn't enough demand with an already over taxed power grid? Tell that to the folks told to charge their cars at night, not at all or experience rolling black outs. Upgrades come when subsidies kick in. Just like EV's.
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BCSnob
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My questions are delivered in the spirit of the Socratic method, to get people to think about the ramifications of their arguments. Such as power generation must be built for future EV adoption before EV adoption should be allowed to occur.
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way2roll
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BCSnob wrote:Do people want utilities to increase generation capacity (passing these capital investment costs onto consumers) based upon the most aggressive predictions of EV adoption (putting the horse before the cart) or continue to build in capacity based upon changes in measured demand?
You don't think utilities will increase once demand goes up from EV's? And that cost amortized to those that don't own EV's? We are talking a huge ramp up in electric infrastructure. I mean, we're already paying musk billions with subsidies. Dude, I've seen your posts and respect you, but this is a pretty thin argument.
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BCSnob wrote:My questions are delivered in the spirit of the Socratic method, to get people to think about the ramifications of their arguments. Such as power generation must be built for future EV adoption before EV adoption should be allowed to occur.
If you looked I bet you would find that in large parts of the country early Model T sales where slow because no local gas stations.
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shelbyfv
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way2roll wrote:You don't think utilities will increase once demand goes up from EV's? And that cost amortized to those that don't own EV's? We are talking a huge ramp up in electric infrastructure. I mean, we're already paying musk billions with subsidies. Dude, I've seen your posts and respect you, but this is a pretty thin argument. This is just inaccurate. As I posted earlier, 6%-8% if EVs are adopted as rapidly as hoped and that's over a period of at least 20 years. Google for yourself if you like. These things just aren't the huge power sucks some folks like to imagine.
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way2roll wrote:
Straw man argument. How is the logic faulty? So there isn't enough demand with an already over taxed power grid? Tell that to the folks told to charge their cars at night, not at all or experience rolling black outs. Upgrades come when subsidies kick in. Just like EV's.
Not necessarily at night, but during "off-peak" hours. Mornings are included in some areas. The power company makes the same suggestions for running your washing machine or dishwasher.
Any "rolling blackouts" have nothing to do with EVs but with the weather or wildfires.
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BCSnob
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way2roll wrote:Dude, I've seen your posts and respect you, but this is a pretty thin argument. look at my post on the Socratic method
Fwiw I would get an EV for my next commuter vehicle if the electrical wiring in our equipment shed gets updated by then. Charging at home at night will be difficult with wiring that does not have a ground wire (only 2 conductors). My reality of living on a farm that was retrofitted for electricity after the farm was already 100 years old.
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